plain, My grandkids don't live in the UK either. Grown some cajones.
On Aug 16, 10:29 pm, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > Wow, of all things on my list of "Things I don't Give A Fuck About" > --- > when your grandkids have to kick their ass out of the pool maybe > you'll understand > > On Aug 16, 9:46 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Bruce, > > > Wow, of all things on my list of "Things I don't Give A Fuck About" > > what people wear in swimming pools in the fuckin' UK has to be close > > to the top. > > > On Aug 16, 6:39 am, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Swimmers are told to wear burkinis British swimming pools are imposing > > > Muslim dress codes in a move described as divisive by Labour MPs. > > > > By Patrick Sawer > > > Published: 9:00PM BST 15 Aug 2009 > > > [image: Muslim convert Carole who was banned from using a swimming pool > > > in > > > France for wearing a 'burkini'] UK councils running restricted swimming > > > session for Muslims > > > > Under the rules, swimmers – including non-Muslims – are barred from > > > entering > > > the pool in normal swimming attire. > > > > Instead they are told that they must comply with the "modest" code of > > > dress > > > required by Islamic custom, with women covered from the neck to the ankles > > > and men, who swim separately, covered from the navel to the knees. > > > > Related Articles > > > > - French ban Muslim woman from wearing > > > 'burkini'<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/6017524/Frenc...> > > > - Muslim NHS dentist 'tried to force patients to wear traditional > > > Islamic > > > > > > dress'<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/5718982/Muslim-NH...> > > > > The phenomenon runs counter to developments in France, where last week a > > > woman was evicted from a public pool for wearing a burkini – the > > > headscarf, > > > tunic and trouser outfit which allows Muslim women to preserve their > > > modesty > > > in the water. > > > > The 35-year-old, named only as Carole, is threatening legal action after > > > she > > > was told by pool officials in Emerainville, east of Paris, that she could > > > not wear the outfit on hygiene grounds. > > > > But across the UK municipal pools are holding swimming sessions > > > specifically > > > aimed at Muslims, in some case imposing strict dress codes. > > > > Croydon council in south London runs separate one-and-a half-hour swimming > > > sessions for Muslim men and women every Saturday and Sunday at Thornton > > > Heath Leisure Centre. > > > > Swimmers were told last week on the centre's website that "during special > > > Muslim sessions male costumes must cover the body from the navel to the > > > knee > > > and females must be covered from the neck to the ankles and wrists". > > > > There are similar rules at Scunthorpe Leisure Centre, in North > > > Lincolnshire, > > > where "users must follow the required dress code for this session > > > (T-shirts > > > and shorts/leggings that cover below the knee)". > > > > In Glasgow, a men-only swimming session is organised by a local mosque > > > group > > > at North Woodside Leisure Centre, at which swimmers must be covered from > > > navel to knee. > > > > At a women-only class organised by a Muslim teacher at Blackbird Leys > > > Swimming Pool, Oxford, to encourage Muslim women to learn to swim, most > > > participants wear "modest" outfits although normal costumes are permitted. > > > > The dress codes have provoked an angry reaction among critics who say they > > > encourage division and resentment between Muslims and non-Muslims, putting > > > strain on social cohesion. > > > > Ian Cawsey, the Labour MP for the North Lincolnshire constituency of Brigg > > > and Goole, said: "Of course swimming pools have basic codes of dress but > > > it > > > should not go beyond that. > > > > "I don't think that in a local authority pool I should have to wear a > > > particular type of clothes for the benefit of someone else. That's not > > > integration or cohesion." > > > > Labour MP Anne Cryer, whose Keighley, West Yorkshire constituency has a > > > large number of Muslims, said: "Unfortunately this kind of thing has a > > > negative impact on community relations. > > > > "It's seen as yet another demand for special treatment. I can't see why > > > special clothing is needed for what is a single-sex session." > > > > Muslim swimming sessions are also held at a number of state schools around > > > the country. At Loxford School in Ilford, east London, a local Muslim > > > group > > > organises weekly sessions for Muslim men, with the warning that "it is > > > compulsory for the body to be covered between the navel and the knees. > > > > "Anyone not adhering to the dress code or rules within the pool will not > > > be > > > allowed to swim". > > > > The practice of holding special Muslim swimming sessions has led to > > > non-Muslims being turned away. > > > > David Toube, 39 and his five year old son Harry were last year refused > > > entry > > > to Clissold Leisure Centre, in Hackney, east London, after being told the > > > Sunday morning swimming session was for Muslim men only. > > > > Council officials later said staff had made a mistake and both Mr Toube, a > > > corporate lawyer, and his son should have been admitted. > > > > After discovering the rules at Thornton Heath one Croydon resident, > > > 34-year-old Alex Craig, said: "I think it is preposterous that a council > > > should be encouraging this type of segregation over municipal facilities. > > > > "Surely if Muslims want to swim then they should just turn up with their > > > modest swimwear at the same time as everyone else." > > > > Douglas Murray, director of the Centre for Social Cohesion, last night > > > condemned the practice. He said: "This kind of thing is extremely > > > divisive. > > > > "Non-Muslims see these extremist demands as an example of Muslims wanting > > > things to fit into their lifestyle, when there aren't similar things > > > organised for Hindus, Buddhists or Jews. > > > > "It also puts moderate Muslims in an awkward position as it suggests, > > > wrongly, that they are not devout enough, simply because they choose not > > > to > > > cover themselves in a shroud in a pool." > > > > A press officer at Croydon council, which introduced Muslim-only swimming > > > in > > > 2006, claimed that the wording on the website was a mistake and the dress > > > code should be regarded as a suggestion rather than a requirement. > > > > The website was late changed to remove the reference to the dress code. > > > > However, an official at the leisure centre said the dress code remained > > > compulsory. > > > > Earlier, defending the segregation policy, a Croydon council spokesman > > > said: > > > "We appreciate that certain religious groups, such as Muslims, have strict > > > rules on segregation for activities including sports, so in response to > > > requests from the local community, we have been running these sessions at > > > Thornton Heath Leisure Centre." > > > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6034706/Swimmers-... > > > > __._,_.___ > > > Messages in this topic > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/4UnitedWeStand/message/33053;_ylc=X3oDM...>( > > > 1) Reply (via web post) > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/4UnitedWeStand/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJybDFxY2...>| > > > Start > > > a new topic > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/4UnitedWeStand/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZjNyZn...> > > > Messages<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/4UnitedWeStand/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZT...>| > > > Files<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/4UnitedWeStand/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJnOWQ2Y...>| > > > Photos<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/4UnitedWeStand/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNnEy...>| > > > Links<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/4UnitedWeStand/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJnMnNld...>| > > > Database<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/4UnitedWeStand/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcm...>| > > > Polls<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/4UnitedWeStand/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJnazhlb...> > > > "Dissension is the progenitor of democracy!" > > > MARKETPLACE > > > Mom Power: Discover the community of moms doing more for their families, > > > for the world and for each > > > other<http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14kfrpoll/M=493064.12016295.13271503.1083...> > > > [image: Yahoo! > > > Groups]<http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMTc1anBxBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycEl...> > > > Change settings via the > > > Web<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/4UnitedWeStand/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJnN3M3cX...>(Yahoo! > > > ID required) > > > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily > > > Digest<[email protected]?subject=email+delivery:+Digest>| > > > Switch > > > format to > > > Traditional<[email protected]?subject=change+delivery+format:+Traditional> > > > Visit Your Group > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/4UnitedWeStand;_ylc=X3oDMTJldmhyZHFhBF9...>| > > > Yahoo! > > > Groups Terms of Use <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> | Unsubscribe > > > <[email protected]?subject=> > > > Recent Activity > > > > - 1 > > > New > > > Members<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/4UnitedWeStand/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnY2d...> > > > > Visit Your Group > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/4UnitedWeStand;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcDUzaHZ1BF9...> > > > Group Charity > > > > Citizen > > > Schools<http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14htt3hl0/M=737447.13475021.13554044.8674...> > > > ... > > > > read more » > > > > burqini460_1461189c.jpg > > > 35KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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