On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:42 PM, lbiglee75 <[email protected]> wrote: > Random House College Dictionary states this "Politician suggests the > schemes and devise of a person who engages in politics for a party's > end or his own advantage. [a crafty politician} Statesman, suggests the > eminent ability, foresight, and unselfish devotion to the interest of his > country. of a person dealing with affairs of state ". Maybe we should elect > more statesmen. > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 5:23 PM, plainolamerican > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Ron Paul is more of a Statesman than a Politician >> --- >> and would be an even better potus >> >> but repubs, dems, and rest need not worry ... they'll get another >> potus who supports US interventionist policies in the middle east and >> the rest of the planet, feels obligated to protect oil and israel, and >> will diminish American values by opening the border to even more >> immigrants from non-white countries >> >> know the enemy >> >> On Aug 20, 11:00 am, lbiglee75 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I would ask one question about Ron Paul and the other candidates and >>> it is this. How many times compared to the others have you heard Ron >>> Paul say what he would do other than what we should do as a nation? >>> Ron Paul is more of a Statesman than a Politician >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > What I find both humorous, but at the same time troublesome, is that the >>> > writer of this epistle doesn't have his facts correct. "They" being >>> > those that call themselves "Libertarian"; really "don't get it". >>> >>> > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:59 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >> Tell me, just how many more times must this single encounter be >>> >> "translated" so we can understand it?? >>> >>> >> That so many fine authors want to put such a short list of short >>> >> encounters in front of me with such long in-depth definitions and >>> >> explanations is so very Republican/Democratic of them. >>> >>> >> I was under the impression that the best thing about Paul supporters >>> >> was that they "get it". Those that don't "get it" probably never >>> >> will. >>> >>> >> Just what is to be gained by boring the piss out of me and making sure >>> >> that I ignore the next 20 minute article about a 5 minute >>> >> conversation? >>> >>> >> Answer... I will ignore all that follow whether about new info or >>> >> not. >>> >>> >> On Aug 19, 5:53 pm, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> > Friday, August 19, 2011Ron Paul s Exchange with Santorum Says It Allby >>> >> > Jacob G. Hornberger >>> >> > The exchange over Iran between Ron Paul and Rick Santorum in the recent >>> >> > Republican presidential debate goes a long way in explaining why the >>> >> > mainstream statists, including those in the Republican Party and the >>> >> > mainstream media, wish that libertarians would just go away. >>> >> > Santorum pointed to 1979, the year of the Iranian revolution, when the >>> >> > Iranian people took U.S. diplomats hostage and held them in captivity >>> >> > for >>> >> > about a year. Santorum pointed to that pivotal event to show that the >>> >> > United >>> >> > States has been at war with Iran ever since. >>> >> > For statists, Santorum s point is the end of the discussion. The U.S. >>> >> > government is good. It is innocent. It was just minding its own >>> >> > business >>> >> > when Iranian revolutionaries attacked our country without any reason >>> >> > whatsoever. >>> >> > We saw the same phenomenon after the 9/11 attacks. They just hate us >>> >> > for >>> >> > our freedom and values, U.S. officials cried. We were just minding our >>> >> > own >>> >> > business when the terrorists decided to kill Americans. The sentiment >>> >> > was >>> >> > the mindset of American statists. >>> >> > And what happens if a libertarian says, Wait a minute. The story isn t >>> >> > that simple. Let s look at what motivated these foreigners to do these >>> >> > things. Let s examine what the U.S. government has been doing in >>> >> > foreign >>> >> > affairs ? >>> >> > Well, we all know what happens. The statists go ballistic, both in >>> >> > politics and in mainstream newspapers across the land. Oh, you re >>> >> > blaming >>> >> > America! You hate our country! You must be a terrorist yourself. >>> >> > America, >>> >> > love our government or leave our country! >>> >> > In fact, Paul s exchange with Santorum wasn t the first time this has >>> >> > happened. Recall that famous debate exchange between Paul and Rudy >>> >> > Guliani >>> >> > four years ago. Paul pointed out that the terrorists came here on 9/11 >>> >> > to >>> >> > kill us because our government had been over there for years killing >>> >> > them. >>> >> > Guliani went ballistic, as did his fellow statists on the stage. Their >>> >> > fellow statists in the mainstream media went crazy too. No one, and >>> >> > certainly not a presidential candidate, is supposed to say such >>> >> > things. It s >>> >> > considered beyond the pale. Everyone knows that our government is good, >>> >> > wise, and benevolent, believes in freedom and democracy, and would >>> >> > never do >>> >> > anything bad to foreigners. >>> >> > Yet, that s actually when Ron Paul s 2008 presidential campaign took >>> >> > off. Tens of thousands of ordinary Americans instinctively knew that >>> >> > here >>> >> > was a man who wasn t feeding them pabulum. Here was a man who had the >>> >> > courage to speak the truth about U.S. foreign policy. He was willing to >>> >> > observe openly that the emperor wore no clothes. >>> >> > And that s why the statists wish that Ron Paul would just go away. It s >>> >> > why they wish libertarians would just go away. That s why they resent >>> >> > us. We >>> >> > cause people to confront reality, which is sometimes not a comfortable >>> >> > thing >>> >> > to do. In a sense, we libertarians are therapists, people who help >>> >> > their >>> >> > patients confront realities that are oftentimes quite painful to face. >>> >> > Look at the drug war. The statists just want to keep doing what they ve >>> >> > been doing for 40 years -- busting drug sellers, busting drug users, >>> >> > and >>> >> > locking people up for the rest of their lives. Along come libertarians >>> >> > and >>> >> > point out the utter inanity of the whole thing. The never-ending >>> >> > deaths, >>> >> > destruction, corruption, violence, gang wars, and infringements on >>> >> > privacy >>> >> > and liberty. Libertarians say: End this idiocy by legalizing drugs. >>> >> > But that s considered outside the pale for the statists. It s okay to >>> >> > call for reform of such programs. But abolition? Oh my gosh! I wish >>> >> > those >>> >> > libertarians would just shut up and go away. Everything is working out >>> >> > so >>> >> > fine without them. >>> >> > Look at how Ron Paul responded to Santorum. He explained to Santorum >>> >> > that the history of bad relations between Iran and the United States >>> >> > did not >>> >> > begin in 1979 but rather in 1953. That was the year that the CIA, the >>> >> > U.S. >>> >> > government s secret intelligence force, entered into Iran and ousted >>> >> > the >>> >> > democratically elected prime minister of the country, Mohammed >>> >> > Mossadegh, a >>> >> > man who had been named Time Magazine s Man of the Year. >>> >> > Why did the CIA do that? No, not for freedom and democracy, as the >>> >> > statists would like to believe. Instead, the CIA interfered with the >>> >> > internal affairs of Iran to retaliate for Mossadegh s nationalization >>> >> > of >>> >> > British oil concessions. Yes, the CIA s anti-democracy coup was about >>> >> > oil, >>> >> > not freedom and democracy. >>> >> > In fact, having ousted a democratically elected prime minister, the CIA >>> >> > proceeded to install a non-elected brutal dictator, the Shah of Iran, >>> >> > into >>> >> > power. The CIA then proceeded to train and work closely with the Shah s >>> >> > counterpart to the CIA, his brutal and tortuous Savak intelligence >>> >> > force. >>> >> > The Shah then proceeded to impose one of the harshest dictatorial >>> >> > regimes in >>> >> > the world on the Iranian people, with the full support of the CIA and >>> >> > the >>> >> > rest of the U.S. government. >>> >> > Of course, U.S. officials didn t care one whit what the Shah was doing >>> >> > to the Iranian people. All that mattered was that he was our friend. >>> >> > Imagine if Savak had assassinated John Kennedy in order to get Lyndon >>> >> > Johnson into power. How would the American people feel about that some >>> >> > 50 >>> >> > years later? I ll tell you: the deep anger and rage would still be >>> >> > palpable. >>> >> > Well, that s how the Iranian people felt about the U.S. government in >>> >> > 1979. That s why they took the U.S. officials hostage. They were still >>> >> > angry >>> >> > about the CIA s ouster of their democratically elected prime minister. >>> >> > They >>> >> > were still angry about the Iranian people who had been brutalized, >>> >> > incarcerated, and tortured by the Shah and his goons, with the full >>> >> > support >>> >> > and cooperation of the CIA. >>> >> > That s what Santorum and his fellow statist cohorts don t want to >>> >> > confront. They want to continue living their blissful little lives of >>> >> > delusion. For them, the federal government is god. It is all-good. It >>> >> > is >>> >> > all-knowing. It is all-powerful. It doesn t support dictatorships. It >>> >> > believes in freedom and democracy. It never does bad things to people, >>> >> > not >>> >> > even conduct syphilis experiments on them. >>> >> > That s the myth that is inculcated in every public school across >>> >> > America >>> >> > and in most government-licensed private schools. That s the mindset >>> >> > that is >>> >> > produced in people like Santorum and the other statist candidates on >>> >> > that >>> >> > stage. >>> >> > It s also the mindset of the mainstream news media reporters asking the >>> >> > questions. That s why they feel so comfortable with the statists on >>> >> > stage. >>> >> > That s why they feel so uncomfortable whenever Ron Paul is answering >>> >> > their >>> >> > questions. >>> >> > Let s face it: the statists wish that libertarians had never been born >>> >> > and are extremely concerned about the rising popularity of >>> >> > libertarianism >>> >> > among the American people. That s why they ve done their best to lock >>> >> > the >>> >> > Libertarian Party out of the political process with their inane >>> >> > ballot-restriction barriers. That s why they kept Ron Paul, a >>> >> > long-serving >>> >> > congressman, out of the early presidential debates four years ago. >>> >> > That s >>> >> > why they are keeping Gary Johnson, a popular two-term governor of New >>> >> > Mexico, out of the current round of debates. After all, Johnson, >>> >> > another >>> >> > libertarian, is also calling for ending the drug war and bringing the >>> >> > troops >>> >> > home. Why should it surprise us that they re locking him out of the >>> >> > presidential debates, as they tried to do four years ago with Ron Paul? >>> >> > They think that if they can just keep hewing to their little myths and >>> >> > delusions and keep teaching them to their children in their >>> >> > government-approved schools, everything will be fine. If they could >>> >> > only >>> >> > shut out those pesky libertarians who confront people with truth and >>> >> > reality, everything would be hunky dory. >>> >> > But truth will out, which is why so many people are gravitating to Ron >>> >> > Paul. They instinctively know that he s speaking truth to power, and >>> >> > they >>> >> > can see that power doesn t like it. >>> >> > Ron Paul summed up the problem most eloquently when, in response to >>> >> > Rick >>> >> > Santorum, he stated, We just plain don t mind our own business. That s >>> >> > our >>> >> > problem. >>> >> > Of course, that s the problem with statists. They mind >>> >>> ... >>> >>> read more » >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >
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