I haven't read Wikipedia, --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_contra read it ... it will refresh your memory.
but no doubt I have seen a lot of "wrong" misinformation contained on Wiki in the past..... --- the documentation is listed. Bless your heart! --- Southern for fuck you. You're going to love this ... watch it all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNafujwLWj4 On Apr 30, 8:23 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey Plain Ol' > > I haven't read Wikipedia, but no doubt I have seen a lot of "wrong" > misinformation contained on Wiki in the past.....Bless your heart! > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 5:53 PM, plainolamerican > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Again, it just didn't happen as you believe, or as some media reports > > now > > suggest. > > --- > > the history of the iran-contra affair is well known. > > if Wiki was wrong the repubs would have the information changed. > > > There is empirical data to show what exactly happened, as well as > > the testimony of Col. North. > > --- > > North is a lying pos to ignore. He lied to protect Ronald "I Can't > > Recall" Reagan. > > > On Apr 30, 2:11 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Again, it just didn't happen as you believe, or as some media reports > > now > > > suggest. There is empirical data to show what exactly happened, as well > > as > > > the testimony of Col. North. > > > > As far as the Reagan Taxes, we went through this not even a month ago, > > > where I presented evidence to show that such allegations are total > > > nonsense, not based on fact; not even logical, an nothing less than far > > > left extremist spin and revisionist history. > > > > If you want to believe in idiotic theory, no sweat off of my > > back......It > > > just is demonstrative of what we are dealing with in this Nation, and > > proof > > > positive of the , "Dumbing Down Of America". > > > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:58 AM, plainolamerican > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > None of this of course, is even remotely true > > > > --- > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_contra > > > > fourteen administration officials were indicted, including then- > > > > Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger. Eleven convictions resulted, > > > > some of which were vacated on appeal. The rest of those indicted or > > > > convicted were all pardoned in the final days of the presidency of > > > > George H. W. Bush, who had been vice-president at the time of the > > > > affair. > > > > > On Apr 29, 9:35 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > *"As one might expect, most gloss over or completely avoid > > mentioning the > > > > > many embarrassing and outright alarming aspects of his presidency: > > from > > > > > consulting astrologers to his fixation with biblical doom to the > > tortured > > > > > rationalizations that enabled him to believe that he never traded > > arms > > > > for > > > > > hostages."* > > > > > > None of this of course, is even remotely true, nor is Green's > > assertion > > > > > regarding Reagan raising taxes four times, or most of Green's > > > > allegations > > > > > that besmirch the Reagan legacy. But what is one to expect from a > > > > > fiction writer from "The Onion", who was only 7 years of age when > > > > > President Reagan was elected.: > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 9:41 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > * > > > > > > "When conservatives mythologize the Reagan presidency as the golden > > > > era of > > > > > > conservatism, it's not Reagan that they're mythologizing, but > > > > conservatism." > > > > > > > **Reagan's Liberal Legacy > > > > > > *Joshua Green, Washington Monthly, 35/1, Jan/Feb 2003 > > > > > > > OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, Nancy Reagan has quietly been > > alerting > > > > > > friends and family that the health of her husband Ronald Reagan, > > the > > > > > > nation's 40th president, is failing rapidly due to Alzheimer's. > > Reagan > > > > will > > > > > > turn 92 on Feb. 6, and the signs seem to suggest that he won't be > > with > > > > us > > > > > > for very much longer. > > > > > > > It is not uncommon, when such circumstances involve a national > > figure, > > > > for > > > > > > the media to prepare tributes and obituaries in anticipation of the > > > > event. > > > > > > But in the case of Ronald Reagan, the magnitude of this ritual > > seems > > > > > > certain to eclipse anything that has preceded it. As long as five > > years > > > > > > ago, the three main newsweeklies had locked up eminent presidential > > > > > > historians to write his valedictories. The conservative Heritage > > > > Foundation > > > > > > has underwritten a multimedia Reagan legacy project, cued up and > > > > awaiting > > > > > > word of his death. The major networks and the History Channel have > > > > prepared > > > > > > exhaustive documentaries (the latter didn't even wait for Reagan's > > > > > > departure, airing "Ronald Reagan: A Legacy Remembered" over > > > > Thanksgiving). > > > > > > And media jockeying to pay tribute has already begun: This month's > > > > Esquire > > > > > > dubs Reagan the "greatest living American." > > > > > > > But the clearest indicator can be found at the bookstore. The last > > few > > > > > > months have brought an avalanche of Reagan biographies, from John > > > > Harmer's > > > > > > Reagan: Man of Principle to Peter Schweizer's Reagan's War to Peter > > > > > > Wallison's Ronald Reagan: The Power of Conviction and the Success > > of > > > > His > > > > > > Presidency. They join such recent fare as William E Buckley Jr.'s > > > > Ronald > > > > > > Reagan: An American Hero, Peggy Noonan's When Character Was King, > > and > > > > > > Dinesh D'Souza's Ronald Reagan: How an Ordinary Man Became an > > > > Extraordinary > > > > > > Leader, themselves just a fraction of the 427 listings on > > Amazon.com, > > > > many > > > > > > of them gauzy tributes, each striving to bestow an encomium more > > noble > > > > and > > > > > > gallant than the last. Indeed, what is so striking about these > > > > > > books--besides their sheer number--is their collective > > determination to > > > > > > exalt Reagan as the heroic embodiment of American conservatism. > > > > > > > This is no accident. In fact, there is an active campaign to nail > > into > > > > > > place a canonical version of Reagan's life and career. Energetic > > > > > > conservatives have organized a drive to glorify the former > > president by > > > > > > trying to do everything from affixing his name to public buildings > > in > > > > each > > > > > > of the nation's 3,066 counties to substituting his face for > > Alexander > > > > > > Hamilton's on the $10 bill. A similar dynamic applies here. Many of > > > > these > > > > > > hagiographies are written by noted conservative authors (Buckley, > > > > Noonan, > > > > > > D'Souza) or former Reagan staffers (Wallison, Martin Anderson, > > Michael > > > > > > Deaver), under the auspices of conservative think tanks such as the > > > > > > American Enterprise Institute (Wallison), the Hoover Institution > > > > (Anderson > > > > > > and Schweizer), and the Heritage Foundation (Stephen E Hayward's > > The > > > > Age of > > > > > > Reagan, the first of two volumes). > > > > > > > One would have to go back to FDR to find a comparable example of a > > > > > > president portrayed in such consistently glowing terms--and the > > > > > > swashbuckling triumphs depicted in these books mythologize Reagan > > to a > > > > > > degree which exceeds even that. As one might expect, most gloss > > over or > > > > > > completely avoid mentioning the many embarrassing and outright > > alarming > > > > > > aspects of his presidency: from consulting astrologers to his > > fixation > > > > with > > > > > > biblical doom to the tortured rationalizations that enabled him to > > > > believe > > > > > > that he never traded arms for hostages. But they also do something > > > > else. > > > > > > Most of his conservative biographers espouse a Manichaean > > worldview in > > > > > > which Reagan's constancy in the face of liberal evils is the key > > to his > > > > > > greatness. But to sustain such an argument requires more than > > simply > > > > > > touting (and often exaggerating) his achievements, considerable > > though > > > > some > > > > > > of them were. The effort to gild Reagan's legacy also seems to > > demand > > > > that > > > > > > any accomplishment that didn't explicitly advance conservative > > goals be > > > > > > expunged from his record. And so they have been. > > > > > > > Reagan is, to be sure, one of the most conservative presidents in > > U.S. > > > > > > history and will certainly be remembered as such. His record on the > > > > > > environment, defense, and economic policy is very much in line > > with its > > > > > > portrayal. But he entered office as an ideologue who promised a > > > > > > conservative revolution, vowing to slash the size of government, > > > > radically > > > > > > scale back entitlements, and deploy the powers of the presidency in > > > > pursuit > > > > > > of socially and culturally conservative goals. That he essentially > > > > failed > > > > > > in this mission hasn't stopped partisan biographers from pretending > > > > > > otherwise. (Noonan writes of his 1980 campaign pledges: "Done, > > done, > > > > done, > > > > > > done, done, done, and done. Every bit of it") > > > > > > > A sober review of Reagan's presidency doesn't yield the seamlessly > > > > > > conservative record being peddled today. Federal government > > expanded > > > > on his > > > > > > watch. The conservative desire to outlaw abortion was never > > seriously > > > > > > pursued. Reagan broke with the hardliners in his administration and > > > > > > compromised with the Soviets on arms control. His assault on > > > > entitlements > > > > > > never materialized; instead he saved Social Security in 1983. And > > he > > > > > > repeatedly ignored the fundamental conservative dogma that taxes > > should > > > > > > never be raised. > > > > > > > All of this has been airbrushed from the new literature of Reagan. > > But > > > > as > > > > > > any balanced account must make clear, Reagan acceded to political > > > > > > compromises as all presidents do once in office--and on many > > occasions > > > > did > > > > > > so willingly. In fact, however often unintentionally, many of his > > > > actions > > > > > > as president wound up facilitating liberal objectives. What this > > ... > > read more » -- -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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