I knew Joseph Sobran. Justin Raimondo is no Joseph Sobran. Get real. Sobran didn't think conservatism was some type of centrist ideology. Sobran was a conservative libertarian, unlike you, Plain Ol' or that Moonbat Raimondo.
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:35 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > Again with the stupid? > It is far MORE correct -- but damaging, of course to the Neocon Ideal you > espouse -- to identify it as Non-Interventionist (read: don't stick your > nose where it does not belong). > > Regard$, > --MJ > > "If I read the papers correctly, an isolationist is someone who prefers to > trade with, rather than murder, foreigners. Do I have that right?" -- > Sheldon Richman > > > > At 04:27 PM 8/20/2013, you wrote: > > You're an isolationist Plain Ol'.....Plain and simple. This has nothing > to do with Ron Paul or Rand Paul, or their foreign policies, some of which > I agree, some of which I don't. You are just an isolationist, which is > simplistic ridiculous and impossible for a powerful Nation like the United > States in the New Millennium to have such foreign policies. > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:12 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> > wrote: > fund your own charities and fight your own wars for oil and israel. > your'e either a peaceful person or on the other side. > > Neoconservative foreign policy is a descendant of so-called Wilsonian > idealism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism_(international_relations)>. > Neoconservatives endorse democracy > promotion<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_promotion>by the U.S. and > other democracies, based on the claim that they think that > human rights belong to everyone. On domestic > policy<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_policy>, > they endorse a welfare state <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state>, > like European and Canadian conservatives and unlike American > conservatives<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States>. > > > Democracy promotion <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_promotion> is > allegedly derived from a belief that freedom is a universal human > right<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_right>and by opinion polls showing > majority support for democracy in countries > with authoritarian regimes. Democracy promotion is said to have another > benefit, in that democracy and responsive government are expected to reduce > the appeal ofIslamism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism>. > Neoconservatives have cited political scientists[ citation > needed<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed>] > who have argued that democratic regimes are less likely to start wars. > Further, they argue that the lack of freedoms, lack of economic > opportunities, and the lack of secular general education in authoritarian > regimes promotes radicalism and extremism. Consequently, neoconservatives > advocate democracy promotion to regions of the world where it currently > does not prevail, notably the Arab > nations<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_world>, > Iran <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran>, communist China and North > Korea<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea> > . > > During July 2008 Joe Klein <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Klein> wrote > in TIME <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIME> magazine that today's > neoconservatives are more interested in confronting enemies than in > cultivating friends. He questioned the sincerity of neoconservative > interest in exporting democracy and freedom, saying, "Neoconservatism in > foreign policy is best described as unilateral bellicosity cloaked in the > utopian rhetoric of freedom and democracy." > [72]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism#cite_note-72> > > During February 2009 Andrew > Sullivan<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Sullivan>wrote he no longer took > neoconservatism seriously because its basic tenet > was defense of Israel: > [73]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism#cite_note-73> > The closer you examine it, the clearer it is that neoconservatism, in > large part, is simply about enabling the most irredentist elements in > Israel and sustaining a permanent war against anyone or any country who > disagrees with the Israeli right. That's the conclusion I've been forced to > these last few years. And to insist that America adopt exactly the same > constant-war-as-survival that Israelis have been slowly forced into... But > America is not Israel. And once that distinction is made, much of the > neoconservative ideology collapses. > > > On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:53:29 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > You can't be a compassionate human if you turn a blind eye to the > atrocities going on around the world. > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:16 AM, plainolamerican > <[email protected]<http://??>> > wrote: > I too am a big fan of Ron and Rand Paul. > --- > you can't be a Ron or Rand Paul fan and support US intervention in the > middle east. > > On Sunday, August 18, 2013 1:15:59 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > I too am a big fan of Ron and Rand Paul. Unlike Assange, I am an > American citizen, and do not believe in treasonous actions against my > homeland. Unlike Rand and Ron Paul, Assange is a treacherous bastard, > and both Rand and Ron Paul, even though branding both Snowden and Assange > the "Messenger" or a "civil disobediant" I would surmise also believes > that in the case of Snowden, he's a traitor. > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Bruce Majors <[email protected]<http://??>> > wrote: > > > ---------- > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/08/julian-assange-backs-ron-and-rand-paul/ > > > Sent from my iPad > > -- > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. 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