On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:08 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> The real distinction lurking beneath the surface of this thread is not
> between XML and HTML (though I agree that self-closing elements would be
> nice and namespaces or at least aliasing will definitely be required)
>
Full aliasing should become possible from script if we add
doucument.unregisterElement(). Assuming 2 imports don't conflict today,
aliasing is already possible.
> but rather between the web as URL+API vs the web as URL+Markup. If markup
> doesn't matter, then asm.js, DIV soup, famo.us and to some extent React
> may well represent the future of web development -- and as was mentioned
> before, we simply need to get over the warm and fuzzy feeling of being able
> to "View Source" (which is effectively compiled). But if markup _does_
> matter (for apps as well as docs), then surely making it extensible is a
> winning move (i.e. open-ended vocabularies should be considered a blessing
> not a curse).
>
> I have a gut feeling that markup matters, even for apps (I enjoyed Adobe
> Flex and OpenLaszlo was fun as well), but where are such projects now
> (XUL?), and why is it so difficult to pinpoint the benefit of markup over
> "js-compiled" solutions?
>
Because it isn't local to the developer who is comfortable making
components for others. It's social and environmental. In small-ish orgs,
the benefits are about enabling one team to build tools for another who
might not be staffed with people who think of themselves as engineers.
At a global level, markup becomes important for understanding (e.g.
Search), but again, that's not about the code that any individual engineer
is writing. They are diffuse and indirect impacts, no matter how important
they are.
> On Sunday, October 20, 2013 11:57:41 AM UTC-4, Rob Dodson wrote:
>>
>> I think the most frequent gripe I hear about Web Components is that they
>> look like XML and that totally freaks people out. I can definitely imagine
>> my own horror if I were to open up a client project and top to bottom was
>> all custom elements that I knew nothing about.
>>
>> My own opinion is that they're almost like jQuery plugins. I don't see
>> much difference in:
>>
>> <div class="fancy-dropdown"></div>
>> $('.fancy-dropdown').dropdown();
>>
>> and
>>
>> <fancy-dropdown></fancy-dropdown>
>>
>> and just like jQuery plugins, they're great if used in moderation but
>> *horrible* if they constitute the bulk of your site. I realize that's
>> not a very accurate analogy but I think it gets at my main point which is
>> "If it does something mysterious then don't overuse it."
>>
>> I figure in time some custom elements might become so commonplace that
>> they achieve the same level of mindshare as seeing $ or .btn does today.
>> Bootstrap is a good example. If I opened a document and saw <twbs-btn> then
>> I could say "Oh! I know how Bootstrap buttons work. OK, moving on...". So
>> my hope is that the good stuff will rise to the top and the best practice
>> will be "liberally use the good stuff, but go easy on the esoteric or
>> lesser known elements."
>>
>> Does that make sense? What do you guys think?
>>
>>
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