I was asking wether polymer's custom elements are indistinguishable from normal 
elements, making them comparable with Ember, or wether there was something else 
going on that makes the different. If I was not clear, I apologize. I wasn't 
asking about data binding, because Ember can two-way data bind with any HTML 
element. Thanks for Answering my question!!

> On Nov 14, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Christopher Dumas <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> I was asking wether polymer's custom elements are indistinguishable from 
> normal elements, making them comparable with Ember, or wether there was 
> something else going on that makes the different. If I was not clear, I 
> apologize. I wasn't asking about data binding, because Ember can two-way data 
> bind with any HTML element. Thanks for Answering my question!!
>> On Nov 12, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Igor Minar <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> It's not quite that simple but I think that both of you are right.
>> 
>> In an ideal case, the custom element should be indistinguishable from a 
>> native element.
>> 
>> The problems start when frameworks and libraries make assumptions about DOM 
>> that were true before custom elements, but are no longer valid now.
>> 
>> For example, in the past creating an element could have been done without 
>> worrying about any side effects because most of the html elements are 
>> lightweight. With custom elements, nobody knows what happens when an element 
>> is instantiated and bad things might happen if the framework creates an 
>> element just for bookkeeping purposes, creates it too early, pools elements 
>> or does other things where the were harmless with native elements, but with 
>> custom elements could result in bad side-effects.
>> 
>> Another issue are assumptions about behavior of global and boolean 
>> attributes in DOM. Something that was not an issue before custom elements, 
>> but as we've already seen is an issue now.
>> 
>> The data-binding aspect of interop is a completely different story and just 
>> as before the issue is that in the past it was sufficient to bind to 
>> attributes, but with custom elements you quickly start hitting walls if you 
>> go down this path.
>> 
>> I expect that if they haven't already, sooner or later Ember will come 
>> across similar issues as those that Angular came across already.
>> 
>> \i
>> 
>> On Wed Nov 12 2014 at 2:35:19 PM 'Matthew McNulty' via Polymer 
>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> If your framework allows for the use of standard HTML elements, it will also 
>> work with custom elements in supported browsers, modulo bugs or 
>> optimizations that don't take the very existence of new HTML tags into 
>> account. 
>> 
>> If your framework requires coordination from within the boundaries of an 
>> element to an outside orchestrator via non-standard APIs (read: not 
>> properties, attributes, events, and children), it's not that simple. 
>> 
>> Custom elements have the same API surface area as native elements. 
>> 
>> Having some sort of component system that could describe a non-standard API 
>> such that any component could work with some non-standard orchestration 
>> system that isn't the DOM is a completely separate question.
>> 
>> -Matt
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Rob Eisenberg <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> Once again, I restate what I said before: custom elements are not 
>> necessarily compatible with any framework.
>> 
>> The original poster is asking about Ember and Handlebars. He's not asking 
>> about basic DOM capabilities like attributes, properties, etc. The fact that 
>> there is no standard for data-binding is an important part of the "any 
>> framework" aspect of the question. The poster wants to know if he can use 
>> custom elements with any framework and have it all work correctly, 
>> especially frameworks that support databinding like Ember. The answer to 
>> that question is no. Some things might work, others might not. It will 
>> probably depend on the framework. As I said, it won't work correctly with 
>> Angular 1.x. If that isn't a concrete example, I'm not sure what is. Now, 
>> I'm less familiar with Ember, so I'm not sure if they have that problem as 
>> well. Maybe not.
>> 
>> Incidentally, the problem isn't a lack of a databinding standard. The 
>> problem is that the web components spec doesn't include any notion of 
>> metadata or self-describing components. Many would say that is an essential 
>> aspect of any component system. I've worked with many component systems over 
>> the years and web components is the first that seems to be missing that 
>> piece. If that were added to HTML, then it would be much easier to build 
>> binding systems like Angular's and Ember's and to ensure they work properly 
>> with anything. A lot of other interesting things would also be possible, of 
>> course.
>> 
>> On Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:56:08 PM UTC-5, Scott Miles wrote:
>> >> Actually, no, custom elements are most definitely not theoretically 
>> >> compatible with any framework
>> 
>> This is not accurate from our perspective. Custom elements are fundamentally 
>> indistinguishable from native elements and therefore work in any DOM context.
>> 
>> >> This is one of several reasons that Angular has to make big breaking 
>> >> changes in 2.0 and why other libraries with databinding support will 
>> >> probably follow in some fashion or another.
>> 
>> There is no standard for data-binding. 
>> 
>> One can say, Angular doesn't support data-binding to Custom Elements, but 
>> this is no fault of Custom Elements.
>> 
>> It might also be true to say, Polymer's data-binding doesn't support 
>> framework X. This also has nothing to do with Custom Elements, and again 
>> reflects only the lack of a data-binding standard.
>> 
>> Custom Elements support attributes, properties, events, and children, the 
>> same as native elements.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:26 AM, Rob Eisenberg <[email protected] 
>> <>> wrote:
>> Actually, no, custom elements are most definitely not theoretically 
>> compatible with any framework. Not out of the box at least. This is one of 
>> several reasons that Angular has to make big breaking changes in 2.0 and why 
>> other libraries with databinding support will probably follow in some 
>> fashion or another.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 5:49:31 PM UTC-5, Eric Bidelman wrote:
>> Theoretically, custom elements are compatible with any framework.
>> 
>> https://www.polymer-project.org/docs/start/customelements.html#interop 
>> <https://www.polymer-project.org/docs/start/customelements.html#interop>
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Christopher Dumas <[email protected] <>> 
>> wrote:
>>         I am a huge fan of Google's Material Design (and I think Polymer is 
>> really cool), and also of Ember.JS. I was interested to know whether you 
>> plan to have compatibility with Ember.JS. To clarify: I was hoping that 
>> Polymer might at least play nicely with Ember and Handlebars. Keep up the 
>> good work!
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