Joel Brauer Only you can decide to be happy! The rest of life is in the details...
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Lance McCulley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I wasn't arguing for or against "income" tax, specifically. More as in, > we're going to be taxed, period. > > Roads are paid for by gas taxes > > ^--a tax, and don't forget DMV fees and registration(both taxes) > Yes its a tax, but a voluntary one, I choose whether I want to purchase gas and how much, and I reap the direct benefit from it when I use the roads. > > Libraries can and are often privatized > > How is this relevant? Libraries are _setup_ by government funds. Are you > against funding public education? > Yes I am against funding public education, did you really need to ask? > > Firemen, police, and many other things are paid for by property taxes. > > They _used_ to be paid for by property taxes and are now paid for by > partially federal and partially state tax revenues--no specific origin. And > it doesn't change the fact that is still a tax. > Yes, but not an income tax. Income tax is immoral, other taxes that are only assesed when you choose to participate in a particular thing are less so. Property taxes could be argued both ways. But first things first. > > All of which leads to, why do we need income taxes? > > Because people want an industrial military complex that can face the worlds > problems with enough firepower to never be intimidated by any other nation. > Why don't we just stop interfering in world politics and supporting nations, like israel, for our own religious reasons... ugh :( > > > I'd love to stop paying income tax and as far as my libertarianism with > this respect, it has not changed. I'm just _very_ pessimistic of it ever > becoming a reality. > I too am pesimistic about it every fully being implemented, but I will continue to push for the ideals and support those who do as well. > > Wow Lance you really have stopped being a libertarian. > > Yes, Joel, I have. I don't subscribe to any single set of ideas. I don't > think it would be a good idea to privatize everything. And Libertarians want > everything to be private except the military--and some want this to be > private too. I think the best way to illustrate this is, is to point to the > issues we are having with the economic situation in the US. Things were > deregulated (made more private), and shit got out of hand. People got > greedy, and now we the people have to bail out (rescue--whatever the fuck > you want to call it) the rich with $840 Billion. > My point exactly. If I were in charge those banks would have been allowed to go under, as you will find most libertarians feel they should have been. Noone was more upset than me when I heard they'd passed the bail-out. Its total BS! But nobody cares what I think! Personal and Corporate > > The point? Privatization isn't always the answer. On the flip side, > government regulation isn't always the answer either. I think there should > be a balance of the two. > A balance of the two IS what caused this huge extra $840 billion tax burden > > And one more point, that really is just more fun than an actual point--if > you don't want to pay income tax, just make less than $30,000/year. :-) > LOL, good point... <gets up from desk and walks away> LATA SUCKA'z!!!! > > -Lance > > > > On Oct 21, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Joel Brauer wrote: > > Wow Lance you really have stopped being a libertarian. Roads are paid for > by gas taxes, Libraries can and are often privatized. Firemen, police, and > many other things are paid for by property taxes. All of which leads to, > why do we need income taxes? WE DON'T, unless the government thinks they > can spend your money better than you! > > Joel Brauer > > Only you can decide to be happy! The rest of life is in the details... > > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Lance McCulley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> I know! I fucking hate having roads, libraries, firemen, police, oh and >> don't forget our military....Ah, to not pay taxes--what a fairy tale >> dream. No matter how I wish it weren't true, there are only two certainties >> in this life--death, and taxes. And the older I get, the more I realize this >> fact of life. >> >> Of course, I don't want to pay taxes. Who would? Problem is, the people >> demand services from government. >> >> -Lance >> >> >> >> On Oct 21, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Joel Brauer wrote: >> >> Gotta love the government! "GIMME YOUR MONEY JARRAD!!! I can spend it >> better than you can!!!" >> >> Joel Brauer >> >> Only you can decide to be happy! The rest of life is in the details... >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Jarrad Reiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >>> >>> http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=202173 >>> >>> >>> Jarrad >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Politically Opinionated Outspoken People Expounding Religion" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pooper?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
