Dear Albert,
Quite sorry for confused status of this issue.
Just I've checked my patch with the latest GIT
631224dc0c721119c91984f1940c9e51edf17eca
my patch is still applicable, and it works.
So, please commit my patch, if you find no problem.
Regards,
mpsuzuki
Albert Astals Cid wrote:
El Dimarts, 27 de març de 2012, a les 21:01:43, suzuki toshiya va escriure:
Dear Albert,
I'm sorry for lated reply about your question. However, the
latest patch by Thomas has already invalidated my patch,
so please let me reconsider.
You mean you don't want this commited?
Albert
Albert Astals Cid wrote:
* Adobe-CNS1 (Taiwan) -> fallback to MingLiU
* Adobe-GB1 (China mainland) -> fallback to SimSun
* Adobe-Japan1 (Japan) -> fallback to MS-Mincho
* Adobe-Japan2 (Japan) -> fallback to MS-Mincho
* Adobe-Korea1 (Republic of Korea) -> fallback to Batang
Does windows ship with those fonts?
Yes, of course, at least, after Windows 2000.
* MingLiU is available since Microsoft Windows 95 for Traditional Chinese,
* SimSun is available since Microsoft Windows 2000 (at least).
* MS-Mincho is available since Microsoft Windows 3.1 for Japanese,
* Batang is available since Microsoft Windows 2000 (at least).
You may want to see a list showing which versions of Microsoft Windows
(or which versions of Microsoft Office) ship which fonts. Me too, please
give me more time to check. I checked
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/family.aspx ,
but it does not list the history before Windows 2000.
Regards,
mpsuzuki
Albert Astals Cid wrote:
El Dimarts, 27 de març de 2012, a les 00:19:24, [email protected]
va>
escriure:
Hi all,
Hi
Considering the forthcoming deadline for 0.20 feature
freeze, here I propose a small patch as a first step
to better fallback for missing CID-keyed CJK fonts.
As I discussed with Thomas, current poppler always
tries to use a serif typeface for Japanese market
(MS-Mincho), if the user does not make special font
fallback definition table. Attached patch is a small
enhancement of Thomas's work; it checks the collection
of the missing CID-keyed font, and if it is known
Adobe collection (Adobe-CNS1, -GB1, -Japan1, -Japan2,
-Korea1), the fallback TrueType define for each collection
is used.
* Adobe-CNS1 (Taiwan) -> fallback to MingLiU
* Adobe-GB1 (China mainland) -> fallback to SimSun
* Adobe-Japan1 (Japan) -> fallback to MS-Mincho
* Adobe-Japan2 (Japan) -> fallback to MS-Mincho
* Adobe-Korea1 (Republic of Korea) -> fallback to Batang
Does windows ship with those fonts?
Albert
I'm working for further enhancement (I think missing
Sans Serif CJK typeface should be fallbacked to another
Sans Serif CJK typeface, as far as anything is available),
but the investigation of historical typeface availability
on Microsoft Windows would need some time.
Regards,
mpsuzuki
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:28:27 +0100
Thomas Freitag <[email protected]> wrote:
Am 23.03.2012 14:06, schrieb [email protected]:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 08:42:01 +0100
Thomas Freitag<[email protected]> wrote:
Am 23.03.2012 08:21, schrieb suzuki toshiya:
Excuse me, this is the 3rd issue in your first post (add a support
to reflect cidfmap generated by ghostscript), that is not what I
care.
What I care is about hardwired MS-Mincho fallback.
It's just hard wired if a CID font is expected and no appropiate
substitute font is found. Propablay a better idea is to use
arialuni.ttf
instead of MS Mincho, but when I started with it, I only knew that MS
Mincho is always installed and has some CJK chars.
One of the important problem in using single CJK font (e.g.
MS Mincho) as generic fallback is that the coverage of the
characters of CJK fonts are highly dependent with the assumed
market.
For example, the fonts designed for China mainland, Taiwan
and Japan are usually missing Hangul. They should not be
used for Adobe-Korea1 fallback. In addition, the fonts
designed for Japan, Taiwan, Korea are usually missing the
simplified characters currently used in China mainland.
Also, the latest version of Adobe-GB1 includes Yi script
(U+A000 - U+A4BF), but the fonts for Taiwan, Japan and Korea
are usually missing them.
Nothing to say, for Japanese customers, using MS Mincho or
MS Gothic as generic fallback would be better than using
SimSun (for China mainland), MingLiU (for Taiwan) or Batang
(for Korea) as generic fallback, but it is unfair solution.
Using Arial Unicode as generic fallback would be neutral,
although its typeface quality for CJK scripts is often
disrespected. In addition, its vertical writing mode support
is insufficient.
I attached 1 PDF and 2 pictures; one picture is fallbacked
by MS Mincho, another picture is fallbacked to Arial Unicode.
Thus, I will propose a patch to prepare per-collection
fallback fonts (for Adobe-CNS1, Adobe-GB1, Adobe-Japan1,
Adobe-Japan2, Adobe-Korea1) and finally fallback to Arial
Unicode when no appropriate one is found.
In my opinion: sounds great. I implemented my "poor" patch because I
sometimes debug problems with CJK fonts under Windows and see nothing.
So a better implementation is always welcome for me.
I'm not really sure where the poppler data dir ist expected on
MinGW,
should be /usr/local/share/poppler, otherwise You can patch the code
where the GlobalParam constructor is called , I do it normally under
windows:
globalParams = new
GlobalParams("E:\\Downloads\\poppler\\poppler-data-0.4.5");
and copy cidfmap to that directory.
If You don't do this (and only then), all CJK fonts fall back to MS
Mincho.
Yes, it (the case without cidfmap) is what I care. I think "all CJK
fonts fall back to MS Mincho" is worse than fallback to Helvetica,
as shown by my 2 sample pictures. BTW, in your environment with
cidfmap
generated by ghostscript, my sample PDF (referring CJK CID-keyed
fonts)
is processed correctly?
We can't fall back to helvetica, if a CID font is expected. In this
case
locateFont returns a NULL pointer!
I think the caller of locateFont should prepare the case that
no appropriate substituted font is found (if a NULL pointer
is not appropriate to indicate such case, some error should be
catched).
That'a what I did :-). Perhaps the error message is not clear, but that
wasn't mine :-)
No, I've to insert additional lines in cidfmap, I attach it:
mkcifdmap.ps doesn't search for Pr-fonts. I add only lines for 4
fonts,
of course I could do it also for the others. I just want to show how
easy it is.
Good to know. I was thinking current Ghostscript CJK font
handling is not so intellectual so I expected that making
Ghostscript some configuration data would not be an one-stop
solution.
As I already mentioned, would be nice if You give us a better solution.
Thanks in advance,
Thomas
Regards,
mpsuzuki
I attach my cidfmap (be carefull, my windows home directory is
f:/windows). With these additional lines I got the attached result,
and
these warnings:
Syntax Error: Couldn't find a font for 'MS-PMincho', subst is
'MS-Mincho'
Syntax Error: Couldn't find a font for 'MS-Gothic', subst is
'MS-Mincho'
Syntax Error: Couldn't find a font for 'MS-PGothic', subst is
'MS-Mincho'[email protected] Syntax Error: Couldn't find a
font for 'MS-UIGothic', subst is 'MS-Mincho' Syntax Error: Couldn't
find a font for 'RyuminPr6-Light-Identity-H', subst is
'ArialUnicodeMS-JP;'
Syntax Error: Couldn't find a font for 'RyuminPr6-Light-Identity-H'
Syntax Error: Couldn't find a font for 'RyuminPr6-Light-Identity-H',
subst is 'ArialUnicodeMS-JP;'
Syntax Error: Couldn't find a font for 'RyuminPr6-Light-Identity-H'
Syntax Error: Couldn't find a font for
'GothicBBBPr6-Medium-Identity-H',
subst is 'ArialUnicodeMS-JP'
Syntax Error: Couldn't find a font for 'HiraMinPro-W3-Identity-H',
subst
is 'ArialUnicodeMS-JP'
Syntax Error: Couldn't find a font for 'HiraKakuStd-W3-Identity-H',
subst is 'ArialUnicodeMS-JP'
Thus, I'm afraid more efforts are needed for hardwired CID-keyed
font fallback. At least, using MS-Mincho is not good idea, and,
appropriate warning should be printed. Of course, I'm willing to
work for this issue.
Isn't
error(-1, "Couldn't find a font for '%s', subst is '%s'",
fontName->getCString(), substFontName);
an appropiate warning???
I think it's slightly insufficient, substitution of CID-keyed font
by non-CID-keyed is warned with more detail (Adobe-Japan1 font blah
blah blah is substituted by non-CID-keyed blah blah blah).
You're not completely true: a non-CID-keyed font is still substituted
by
Helvetica, only a CID-keyed font is replaced by MS Mincho. But if You
want another warning, just feel free to change the code.
Cheers,
Thomas
Thomas Freitag wrote:
Am 03.03.2012 17:40, schrieb suzuki toshiya:
Hi,
I'm quite sorry for that no CJK helpers involves this issue...
The required help is a rewrite of your patch to fit the poppler
coding convention, and for the maintainers working with Unix
systems? If it is possible to do without Visual Studio, I will
try.
Hopefully done now. As far as I rmember it was Your patch (bug
11413) I
just applied to PSOutputDev.cc
BTW, yet I've not checked your patch in detail, your patch is
trying to convert all missing (non-embedded) CID-keyed CJK fonts
by MS Mincho? I think it is not good idea for the users of
Adobe-GB1 (PRC, Singapore), Adobe-CNS1 (Taiwan, HongKong),
Adobe-Korea1 (ROK). I'm not sure if Ghostscript does so, but
even if Ghostscript does so, poppler should not follow it.
In fact, the coverage of CJK Ideographs are differently
designed to fit to each markets.
No, it was not my goal to substitute all CID keyed fonts by MS
Mincho.
The problem under Windows is just, that if there is no font with
the
used name installed, poppler tried to replace it with Helvetica,
but
because this is not a CID font no characters at all will be shown.
So I
thought that MS Mincho is at least for this case a better idea as
a
default CID font.
But if You copy the cidfmap produced by mkcidfm.ps from
ghostscript
in
the poppler data dir, that substitute font table will be used if
(and
only if) the font is not embedded and not installed under windows.
Hope
that fits for CJK users, I thought it was better to use an
existing
substitution algorithm than do nothing. And as far as I understand
mkcidfm.ps it will also try to find suitable fonts for GB1, CNS1
and
the
others, but I'm no expert for CJK fonts. The cidfmap I produced on
my
system would use arialuni.ttf for all CJK fonts, but I have just
the
Microsoft default fonts.
Regards,
Thomas
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