El dimarts, 5 de març de 2019, a les 9:08:34 CET, Tobias Deiminger va escriure: > Hi folks,
Hi > below is a copy of an answer from FSF Europe regarding > what we can do to get access to PDF ISO standard. Thanks > again to Max Mehl and LUGOS, in case you're reading here. > > The bottom line is, we should try to find an organisation that > is/becomes member of a national standardisation body (170€/year) > on behalf of poppler, and poppler devs need to be member of that > org in turn. This way we get (free) access to drafts of standards > and could even influence the standards development. > > Friendly orgs to ask may be > - KDE e.V. > - GNOME Foundation > - The Document Foundation > > What's your opinion / preference about that? Would you be ok with > becoming a member of one of that orgs? I guess the question is also, would those orgs accept us as members? I mean i may not have any issue being part of X but why would X want me if i am really not part of their community? Cheers, Albert > If you're interested, > I can carry on contacting named orgs regarding the idea. > > Cheers > Tobias > > > > --- snip, copy of answer starts here --- > > From: FSFE <[email protected]> (Free Software Foundation Europe e.V.) > To: [email protected] > CC: [email protected] > > Dear Tobias, > > Some weeks ago you've asked us for help with the latest PDF > specification. > > 21/12/2018 09:57 - FSFE wrote: > > 12/12/2018 19:54 - Tobias Deiminger wrote: > > > Poppler developers need access to the PDF specification, > > > which used to be available free of charge. Things changed in > > > 2017 when there was a new major release of the PDF standard. > > > The old version 1.7 was (C) Adobe [1], but the new version > > > 2.0 is (C) ISO and they claim 198 CHF [2] or 229,40 € [3] > > > for one copy. I talked to DIN, they have other licensing > > > models, but still too expensive for private volunteers. > > > > Thanks for your request and your work on this important project. > > > > > Does FSFE already have some contact with ISO and a known > > > procedure regarding getting standards for free software > > > projects, from similar cases? And no matter if yes or no, > > > could you contact ISO and ask them if they can give away some > > > copies - 6 would be nice - for free, for a charitable project? > > > You're experienced in dealing with big organisations, and a > > > request from you would be loaded with some political weight. > > > > As far as I know we have no direct contact with ISO, but I will ask our > > core team whether someone has some connections. Otherwise, I will send > > a > > mail to ISO on my own, but I can't promise anything of course. > > We've discussed that, and this is the latest status on it, given by a > member of the Slovenian NGO LUGOS: > > Update from LUGOS’ side after we discussed internally and with > SIST (Slovenian Institute for Standardisation), a member of which > LUGOS is as well: > > Firstly – and most importantly – the spec in question is already > being superseeded by a newer¹ one. The ISO 32000-2:2017 standard > that Tobias was asking for is currently in 90.92/Review phase and > is going to be superseeded by ISO/CD 32000-2. > > BTW, the ISO/CD 32000-2, is currently in the 30.60/Committee Draft > (CD) phase, so a perfect time for organisations to influence the > new standard (revision) in the making. > > Members of national standardisation bodies have (free) access to > drafts of standards and can influence the development. In almost > all cases the very last draft is identical to the final standard. > > SIST itself is not following the ISO/TC 171/SC 2 yet, but LUGOS > can make a request to join that Technical Committee (TC). We are > discussing it, and probably will join. > > Even then, LUGOS would not be allowed to share the standard draft > outside of its membership, due to copyright protection. > > But, I should let you know that the price for an NGO to be a > member of the national standardisation body is very much > affordable – LUGOS pays cca. 170 €/year to be member of SIST – the > easiest way to get your hands on a standard (in the making) would > be to have KDE e.V. or FSFE e.V. join DIN and request to follow > ISO/TC 171/SC 2 (and other TC of interest). > > To keep things kosher, it would be prudent to either make all who > have access to the standard members of the e.V., or to make the > PDF 2.0 feature an (official) project of said e.V., so people who > would be working on this project would be able to have access to > the docs legally. > > As the FSFE is not doing any software development, I would recommend to > team up with KDE e.V. or The Document Foundation, which both have some > projects in this regard. If you need some contacts to these > organisations, I'd be happy to help. > > Best, > Max > > _______________________________________________ poppler mailing list [email protected] https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/poppler
