I was gonna reply in the same tone that you did, but if I do, you will just take it as i took your reply, searching to win a non existent fight... The fact is Mr. Espie that i saw the port and I still think that we should remove it. I accepted the community rejection to my removal request and left note of why I think that this port has no place in the ports tree.
You are right, before removing it, we should port xpra first. That does not make me responsable to port it, neither makes you or anybody else responsable for that, because I'm not rushing and asking for people with CVS access to destroy the evil port, I just said that it might be a candidate for replacement. I will non the less see about porting xpra and coming back with substance to ask for the same, because you are right! Now... You say that you HATE people "like me", well, the fact is that you are wrong (about me), and prove of this its my work on mostly python ports, I'm taking maintainer of lots of python ports, including x11/terminator, wich I updated to free it from gtk2, I'm also helping actively with testing the new kde5 ports to replace the old kde4 apps, and updating a big chunk of pytest dependencies to keep updating python ports I found x11/partiwm. Size is not the issue here, and I am pretty minimalistic... My idea of changing lots of python ports to have a single copy of docs instead of having one for py- and other for py3- gives credit of that, because I like things right, not duplicates, because everything counts when you compile the same port for 8 years! Each copy of the ports tree comes with a x11/partiwm port ready to be built! even if it is 29kb of information... how many times people gets a copy of the ports tree? But, OK, yes, today in the world where you reject people tagging things !amd64 as "old and useless" what diference does it make some kb right? Finally, I run two i386 and one sparc64 server, so, again, you don't know anything about me, yet you say that you hate me and you push me into a position in witch I have to insult you back or defend stupid things, because my work on ports speaks for me. I never complain, I try to update, I always take feedback in a positive way and do my best to improve and not make the same mistake twice, I try to help when I can because I'm not a great C programmer among other things, and you freely insult me, make assumptions and say that you hate me. Well, sorry for talking about x11/partiwm. But, not for the port itself, but for a completely out of place reaction from your part, was it worth it ? Did you enjoy it? Do you think that your message and ideas were transmitted in a way in witch people will read it and be in the mood to think clearly? Or do you fail to see how your reply is pretty much just an insult and does not teach, but puts the other person defensive? I think that you should think about that, and I'm not been a jerk for saying so, I'm clearly inferior to you, you know about ports much much more, you are smarter, better looking, a great programmer and you work hard. But shit... You should be wiser, because your attack was uncalled for. Best regards. Elias M. Mariani. 2018-07-20 2:22 GMT-03:00 Marc Espie <[email protected]>: > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 01:26:04PM -0300, Elias M. Mariani wrote: >> OK, >> Nothing personal against the port. >> It's just that I think on this port that: >> - Is "defunct". >> - The only uniqueness is xpra and is now a separate project. > So where is your port of xpra ?... > > Think about it. > > You're advocating removing something useful without proposing anything > equivalent in exchange. > > Why should we do the work for you ? >> - python 2 only. And my personal concern is that the end of support of >> python 2 is coming, of course one can not only remove a port just >> because is not python 3 ready... But in this case in the next years >> wont be any effort in fixing that. > > Python 2's death has, unfortunately, been greatly exagerated. > > I definitely HATE people who will try bringing it about by just saying > "hey, python 2 is dying, oh look, there's some other old software for > which there is *no equivalent* in the ports tree that's python 2 only. > So I must be right". Which is *exactly* what you're doing here. > > You want to help in killing python 2 ?... figure out how to update ports > that are still relevant because they're python 2 only. > > Hint: updating them is updating them, not saying "hey it's old stuff, let's > kill it". > >> - I don't think that anyone use that port anymore, but no evidence of >> that, it would be interesting to see the downloads of each package to >> see if is used, not to make decisions based just on that but it would >> help in this cases. >> >> So, I will forget about removing for now, but keep it in mind for a >> possible port cleanup. :) > > Port xpra first. > > > Another good reason to KEEP x11/partiwm: it's TINY. My last bulk shows it > taking 41 seconds to build. FORTY ONE SECONDS. Out of a bulk that takes > about 24 DAYS when you take all the ports into account. > > Comparatively, a lot of modern stuff that people have pushed for because, > you know, it "replaces old stuff", takes HUGE amounts of time, cpu, memory > to build. > > It's also pushing out old platforms, little by little. Because you know, > that recent hyped stuff uses all the cool new tools and languages. > > And a lot of them do not even build on !amd64. Because you know, anything > !amd64 is old and useless...
