* Steffen Nurpmeso via Postfix-users:

> >Are you referring to [1], i.e. your own draft? "Nenne Ross und
> >Reiter."
>
> Well i think that became obvious from the rest of the message.

I think it is just good manners to let people know explicitly who is
trying to promote a subject, and why. Also, that draft is the basis of
any discussion, so why not link to it?

> >The way I percieve it, this attempt to get rid of STARTTLS is a
> >"solution" for an imaginary problem.
>
> Nah, really not.

I'm sure I do. You have not convinced me that there is any real problem
in need of "solving" here.

> We are talking about multiple roundtrips during a connection phase
> were pipelining is not yet possible, and which are blocking thus. This
> is anything but imaginary, ..

A few extra bytes transferred in either direction are, at most, an
imaginary problem to me. Considering that the machine running my primary
MX is moving terabytes each month, I have no issue with the puny amount
of STARTTLS related traffic. As for blocking, what exactly do you mean?

> also taking into account that SMTP is the only of many email (and
> other) protocols for which it is like that.

You are comparing apples and oranges. SMTP transfer does not involve
users waiting for a quick response, unlike HTTPS or IMAPS. A little
extra time hurts nobody. E-mail transfer is not comparable to an online
shop or bank.

-Ralph
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