-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/21/2013 08:34 AM, li...@rhsoft.net wrote: > > Am 21.09.2013 17:25, schrieb DTNX Postmaster: >> +1 on using Debian ClamAV packages without any problems. We use >> the milter package to integrate it with Postfix, using unix >> sockets. >> >> The problem people generally run into with unix sockets is one of >> permissions. The milter socket needs to be stored inside the >> Postfix chroot, and be writable by both Postfix and the milter >> daemon > > which leaves the question open why the Debian postfix-maintainer > insists in the *non upstream* chroot-default after years of most > problems reported here are caused by it? > > My apologies. In part because my mail is not now getting sorted in its normal way, I'm seeing some of these replies out of order.
There *is* a problem here. And actually my experience with systemd suddenly becomes a little relevant. While I don't know of anyone worshipping at the feet of the Debian Postfix maintainer, apparently s/he is doing things that work for some people and not for others. The same can be said, except that I *do* see people worshipping at the feet of, the developer of pulseaudio and systemd. I think in general distributions need to be more careful about adopting radical notions that may not be necessary for things to actually work. (And while I like keeping software up to date, a case can be made that many of the recent changes in Arch Linux, which I've had to suddenly abandon, leading to my dilemma with postfix on Debian, are changes for the sake of change.) Probably a bunch of people here have seen pulseaudio flame wars. I don't mean to start anything of the sort here. But there are occasionally problems where people developing something stop listening to people who are actually trying to use it and who are running into problems. The assumption seems to be it works for the developers, therefore if you run into problems, it is *you* who are the idiot. (In my line, I saw something very similar to this with post-modernists--it's called intellectual bullying.) That is, emphatically, not the case with postfix itself, but possibly with the Debian maintainer of postfix. It is certainly also not the only cause of flame wars, but I think it is one. - From what I can see, the case for chrooting postfix is dubious at best. Likewise, I was never satisfied with the case for wholesale adoption of pulseaudio. In these cases, the problem is not so much with the original software--there *does* need to be space for innovation--but with the distribution(s). And I think I'm now using a distribution that is, at least for me, sabotaging postfix. Which means I'll need to use something else. That's not a knock on postfix, but rather a critique of Debian on this particular package. - -- David Benfell see https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 if you don't understand the attachment -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.21 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSPf6gAAoJEKrN0Ha7pkCOSXEP/RLnPFN13AGykNNi2ktw40uU pJl6eLqNcdMrOdNcQo8IAB4y7B9SkSYtLtrM7C6lLCNP9zL1Z9fxLiuZLw04bUEc QBJp82L/2aZRmqiQs/S5jkTLagA+Xf6QSTFN4txMKz7VUWjkDhMq26xW1rIcHXlB 9uSmSWKIhFcvH9c4AjGyXDqr9E8H30H5AJQCpA7d99E9NHVhcoPd2DlTCDqiyqnm NXtScLSxCPFcHlWDe8qYD7B2IUrMT/FJ9EU1MRSJez7cITUMHgQRsWRM/kZVaadc SxiPqTLig11WgqFsjkatypWPxqYA2/IAQYU8ZdvQ7fNwb/EUfMMBT5lLrrTAAvhq fvZP3D1nQ3x+ApFtZNI4Lu03wtFxUs2PmhWBEWz910zp8IG9OejYqeWnVjyk1DmA oV1wsjHXvEsrqPYX7PCM6IjOzG9NITL0RObo+waa3RcmvfhrOqSDQa5zeRMnEpNJ FoSRt18nLvG1JnBJnGvd/1L0HuFn2DU1AaPMHQw36QcGFz1bwKfnJNzIKdDG+qKM 0AcJ786WnqjlHNyfKGsxa3e54W6BJQ3XhtAg8S9CCN7FwEp47H/IShvxJpwswG6G yO9KEVFBG5yBNkzoPutFmSi+KrUviGhPi8jS0Zqvn398VtRdG/Js0HmW/INY7Pqd KyMmfu6ojPX/H5SMDYwt =/gws -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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