Regina,
>From my talks with ESRI both developers and sales if you want PostgreSQL as a storage medium then you need SDE. If you want SDE, you need ArcGIS server. I have gone many rounds with all of them trying not to pull what is left of my hair out. Because, we needed a single desktop solution that allows us to connect a single user to a single instance of postgres without all the versioning that SDE adds, we really needed the direct connect, but according to everyone that I have talked to (as of today) we have to get SDE. It has become such a sticking point that our sales rep is trying to get us "special" pricing for SDE as a standalone product without all the server components we don't need (or an agreement not to use it in a multi-user environment). But as I also said it is easier for us (and probably more economical) to go the route of writing a drawing layer (like zigGIS) and then handling the updates ourselves writing directly to the database using the transactions that PostgreSQL gives us. As far as what license you would need (i.e. can you use your SQLServer license) you would have to ask ESRI, but I am sure I know their answer already (cha-ching!). I could run the metrics if one of the Zig developers would like to loan me a professional license to do it. Also, would have to know what metrics you would be interested in. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Obe, Regina Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 10:24 AM To: PostGIS Users Discussion Subject: RE: [postgis-users] PostgreSQL/PostGIS and ArcGIS Server 9.3 Rob, Suddenly my warm and fuzzy feeling is not so warm and fuzzy anymore. Does the Direct connect require ArcGIS server as well (thought it came with ArcGIS Client API). I always thought from reports that Direct connect was a sucky implementation, but at least you could get away without paying the ArcGIS SDE license and you didn't have to have another ugly service running on your system. Also if you are running ArcGIS SDE for SQL Server, do you need yet another license for ArcGIS SDE for PostGIS. I presume you need an ArcGIS license for any server you have that is running SDE, but if you have a server running both SQL Server SDE and PostGIS, do you need 2 licenses? (one for each SDE implementation). You can tell I'm a big fan of ArcGIS can't you :). I guess if I have to live with ArcGIS fanboys I'll try to make the best of it. Would be interesting to see some metrics between ZigGIS, SDE whatever and Direct Connect or are such metrics not allowed? Thanks, Regina _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Rob Tester Sent: Fri 5/23/2008 12:52 PM To: 'PostGIS Users Discussion' Subject: RE: [postgis-users] PostgreSQL/PostGIS and ArcGIS Server 9.3 Yes, an SDE license is required and that is now only available with ArcGIS server (cha-ching!). We plan to create our own display layer (similar to ZigGIS) and then create our own backend solution to maintain the database. This is easier for us since we use ArcGIS Engine for development and create our own tools outside of Arc desktop. The 'economical' route for those that want to use PostGIS and have edit capabilities inside ArcGIS desktop would be to use the ZigGIS professional which (from my understanding) implements an editable PostGIS layer in ArcGIS desktop. Rob. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sufficool, Stanley Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 9:40 AM To: PostGIS Users Discussion Subject: RE: [postgis-users] PostgreSQL/PostGIS and ArcGIS Server 9.3 Does all of this wonderful functionality require an SDE connector license? Does "direct connect" function without the SDE license? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Tester Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 9:14 AM To: 'PostGIS Users Discussion' Subject: RE: [postgis-users] PostgreSQL/PostGIS and ArcGIS Server 9.3 Okay, I have the current 9.3 rc1 with the SDE and PostGIS. I also have talked with some of the developers at ESRI and can tell you the following. Yes the support for PostGIS does exist. The geometries can be in WKB or SDE (we keep ours in WKB). According to the developers of SDE for PostGIS there isn't a large difference in the type anyway. But you can't use both at the same time, so you have to pick your poison. I have also patched ZigGIS so that it works with just the ArcGIS Engine which is what we use to develop our applications. Rob. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Hermansen Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 8:17 AM To: PostGIS Users Discussion Subject: Re: [postgis-users] PostgreSQL/PostGIS and ArcGIS Server 9.3 What I find immediately puzzling about this whole SDE - PostGIS thing is a comment that Someone Knowledgeable (Paul? Martin?) made a few weeks ago about an incompatibility between SDE's geometry and OGC or at least PostGIS's implementation of OGC. Sorry I can't provide more details, but does anyone recall this, and have a comment on the matter? Tim Bowden wrote: > On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 09:29 -0500, Stephen Woodbridge wrote: > >> Tim Bowden wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I've read bits and pieces about PostgreSQL/PostGIS and ArcGIS Server >>> 9.3 and how they (might) inter-operate. Can anybody point me to a >>> concise summation of what's happening there? I understand ArcGIS >>> Server will be able to use PostGIS geometries, but at what cost >>> (performance and functionality)? Does this mean we can have ArcGIS >>> and open source clients editing the same geometries? >>> >>> ArcGIS Server 9.3 beta is in the wild, and I've read that the final >>> release is due "soon". Anyone have any idea if soon is measured in >>> weeks or months? >>> >> Tim, >> >> You might be interested in this link: >> http://blog.davebouwman.net/2008/05/12/PostGISRound2ReadingTheManual. >> aspx >> >> -Stephen Woodbridge >> http://imaptools.com/ >> > > Hot stuff, thanks Stephen. Looks very promising. With a bit of luck > it will ease the transition to PostgreSQL/PostGIS for those wanting to > go down that route. I can think of a few who will be looking at this > over the next few years. > > Regards, > Tim Bowden > > _______________________________________________ > postgis-users mailing list [email protected] > http://postgis.refractions.net/mailman/listinfo/postgis-users > -- Regards, Chris Hermansen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel+1.604.714.2878 . fax+1.604.733.0631 . mob+1.778.232.0644 Timberline Natural Resource Group . http://www.timberline.ca <http://www.timberline.ca/> 401 . 958 West 8th Avenue . Vancouver BC . Canada . 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