Fred and Ghislain,
 
Thanks - yes that's because of the rounding that happens in ST_GeomFromText -- 
the ST_GeomFromText is rounding the last couple of digits so the text rep isn't 
actually what the geometry is so its probably something like
 
796579.5624334065668  or some such thing.  Looking at this in OpenJump, the 
polygon is practically a line so borders on being almost invalid.
 
So I guess its some sort of rounding issue that before it gets to ST_Centroid 
its not invalid because the 2 mid points are technically not the same, but once 
it gets into ST_Centroid some rounding happens that makes it equivalent to an 
invalid geometry (basically a polygon with 3 points).
 
Well I'm able to recreate this result in "POSTGIS="1.3.5SVN" 
GEOS="3.1.0-CAPI-1.5.0" PROJ="Rel. 4.6.0, 21 Dec 2007"
 
I suppose the workaround for now would be to ignore anything where the area is 
close to 0 or centroid is empty or use ST_SnapToGrid to get rid of those extra 
digits in your geometry.
 
http://postgis.refractions.net/documentation/manual-svn/ST_SnapToGrid.html
 
None of which is terribly appealing.
 
 
Thanks,
Regina
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred Lehodey
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:28 AM
To: PostGIS Users Discussion
Subject: Re: [postgis-users] how to identify the_geom thatcause:RelateOperation 
called withLWGEOMCOLLECTION type


Hi,
just a note:

inserting the same geometry :

INSERT INTO bug (gid, the_geom) VALUES (
1  , 
'0103000020BE6B0000010000000400000081F178483F4F2841D730212506D33C418045F71F474F2841D706623902D33C417E45F71F474F2841D806623902D33C4181F178483F4F2841D730212506D33C41'
);

and 

INSERT INTO bug (gid, the_geom) VALUES (2,st_geomfromtext('POLYGON((
796575.641547725 1889030.1450377,
796579.562433407 1889026.22415202,
796579.562433406 1889026.22415202,
796575.641547725 1889030.1450377))',-1))

then :
SELECT gid, st_area(the_geom), astext(centroid(the_geom)), isvalid(the_geom)
FROM bug

returns:

1; 0.0001220703125;"GEOMETRYCOLLECTION EMPTY";t
2; 0.0001220703125;"POINT(796578.255471513 1889027.53111391)";t

!!

Fred.





On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Ghislain Geniaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


        Exact,
         that's the problem :
        
        scot3=# SELECT gid, the_geom
        scot3-# FROM bd_dispo_final
        scot3-# WHERE isempty(centroid(the_geom));
         gid  |                                                                 
            the_geom
        
-------+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
         16435 | 
0103000020BE6B0000010000000400000081F178483F4F2841D730212506D33C418045F71F474F2841D706623902D33C417E45F71F474F2841D806623902D33C4181F178483F4F2841D730212506D33C41
        (1 row)
        
        
        Here, you will find  the ouput of  pg_dump to study this geometrry. 
Thanks again.
        
        
        
        --
        -- PostgreSQL database dump
        --
        
        SET client_encoding = 'SQL_ASCII';
        SET standard_conforming_strings = off;
        SET check_function_bodies = false;
        SET client_min_messages = warning;
        SET escape_string_warning = off;
        
        SET search_path = public, pg_catalog;
        
        SET default_tablespace = '';
        
        SET default_with_oids = false;
        
        --
        -- Name: bug; Type: TABLE; Schema: public; Owner: postgres; 
Tablespace:--
        
        CREATE TABLE bug (
           gid integer,
           the_geom geometry
        );
        
        
        ALTER TABLE public.bug OWNER TO postgres;
        
        --
        -- Data for Name: bug; Type: TABLE DATA; Schema: public; Owner: postgres
        --
        
        COPY bug (gid, the_geom) FROM stdin;
        16435   
0103000020BE6B0000010000000400000081F178483F4F2841D730212506D33C418045F71F474F2841D706623902D33C417E45F71F474F2841D806623902D33C4181F178483F4F2841D730212506D33C41
        \.
        
        
        --
        -- PostgreSQL database dump complete
        --
        
        
        Le 9 déc. 08 à 13:04, Obe, Regina a écrit : 




                Ghislain,
                
                The only time I have seen this kind of behavior is when 
centroid returns an empty geometry collection.  In those cases its because the 
geometry is invalid.
                
                Although none of your geometries are invalid, it could be a bug 
in either the centroid code or isvalid check that may or may not be fixed in 
3.0.3+ of GEOS.
                
                
                Can you do the following
                
                SELECT gid, the_geom
                FROM ZS2C
                WHERE isempty(centroid(the_geom))
                
                
                and send us as an attatched file with one of those geometries.  
We can cross check with GEOS 3.0.3 or 3.1 to see if the issue still remains.
                
                Thanks,
                Regina
                -----Original Message-----
                From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Ghislain Geniaux
                Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:29 PM
                To: PostGIS Users Discussion
                Subject: Re: [postgis-users] how to identify the_geom that 
cause:RelateOperation called withLWGEOMCOLLECTION type
                
                On Linux  :
                
                POSTGIS="1.3.1" GEOS="3.0.0-CAPI-1.4.1" PROJ="Rel. 4.6.0, 21 Dec
                2007" USE_STATS
                (1 row)
                
                On Macos
                
                 POSTGIS="1.2.1" GEOS="3.0.0-CAPI-1.4.1" PROJ="Rel. 4.6.0, 21 
Dec
                2007" USE_STATS
                (1 row)
                
                same result with the two platform and postgis version.
                
                Thanks.
                
                Le 8 déc. 08 à 17:53, Paragon Corporation a écrit :
                
                

                        What does
                        
                        SELECT postgis_full_version();
                        
                        Return
                        
                        Thanks,
                        Regina
                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
                        [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
                        Ghislain
                        Geniaux
                        Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:03 AM
                        To: PostGIS Users Discussion
                        Subject: Re: [postgis-users] how to identify the_geom 
that cause
                        :RelateOperation called withLWGEOMCOLLECTION type
                        
                        I've no collection. It's looks like a bug.
                        
                        Moreover my table is very large wiht more than 500 000 
geometry and i
                        found no solution to identy the wrong geom.
                        
                        Here you can see the query, with the same result on 
different
                        plateform (LINUX DEBIAN, MACOS, with GEOS 3)
                        
                        otm=# select distinct geometrytype(the_geom) from ZS2c;
                         geometrytype
                        --------------
                         MULTIPOLYGON
                        (1 row)
                        
                        otm=# select distinct geometrytype(the_geom) from 
bd_dispo_finalc ;
                         geometrytype
                        --------------
                         MULTIPOLYGON
                         POLYGON
                        (2 rows)
                        
                        otm=# create table info_nonvoue1 as
                        otm-# select b.id_parc, z.niv from bd_dispo_finalc as 
b, ZS2c as z
                        otm-# where z.niv=1 and 
intersects(centroid(b.the_geom),z.the_geom)
                        and b.the_geom && z.the_geom and isvalid(b.the_geom) 
and isvalid
                        (z.the_geom);
                        ERROR:  Relate Operation called with a LWGEOMCOLLECTION 
type.  This
                        is unsupported
                        otm=#
                        
                        
                        
                        Le 8 déc. 08 à 13:32, Obe, Regina a écrit :
                        
                        

                                Many of the GEOS relation functions do not work 
with collections.
                                
                                You must have a geometry collection in there 
somewhere or its a bug.
                                Also which relation function were you trying?
                                
                                To figure out the type of your geometries, run
                                
                                SELECT *
                                FROM sometable
                                WHERE GeometryType(the_geom) = 
'GEOMETRYCOLLECTION'
                                
                                
                                
                                
                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
                                [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
                                Nicolas Ribot
                                Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:22 AM
                                To: PostGIS Users Discussion
                                Subject: Re: [postgis-users] how to identify 
the_geom that cause :
                                RelateOperation called withLWGEOMCOLLECTION type
                                
                                

                                        I have an error with some geometry that 
cause : "ERROR Relate
                                        

                                Operation
                                

                                        called withLWGEOMCOLLECTION type".
                                        All the geometries seem clean (valid, 
non empty, closed, only
                                        POLYGON,
                                        

                                ..)
                                

                                        My question : how to get information of 
which geometry cause the
                                        

                                problem ?
                                

                                        Is there a way  to have information 
about the geometry during
                                        postgis
                                        

                                is
                                

                                        working on a  SQL query ?
                                        Thanks.
                                        
                                        


                                Hi Ghislain,
                                
                                What the query that failed looks like ?
                                The message is telling that one geometry has an 
invalid type.
                                In your query, you could try to ask for 
ST_GeometryType(geometry) and
                                a geometry identifier to see which geometry has 
the wrong type.
                                If you perform a spatial operation, it is 
possible that
                                geometryCollection is produced.
                                You could maybe split your query into smaller 
block to see where such
                                collections are generated.
                                
                                Nicolas
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