--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "mockey_a" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi.
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "acs322000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> > Recurrent digraphs: � � � and so on for vowels, also ' " (the
> > standard quote characters I mean).
> 
> You really mean '" or �"�` here?

I really mean ' " as they're easiest to reach on my keyboard and are 
more consistently used - in my experience - in writing and 
programming. The other ones are fine, just second priority to me.

> 
> > I'm using an US keyboard with an AltGr key (which I never use - 
> never 
> > had a need for it).
> 
> US-layout means AWERTY and no ��� as keys, right?

My keyboard is QWERTY and no ��� keys.
It's very much like the one in this picture
http://www-306.ibm.com/software/globalization/topics/keyboards/images/
fig1.gif
with a Win key between the left ctrl and alt keys, and a Win key next 
to another key (print screen? I don't know...) between the right Alt 
Gr and ctrl keys.

> On my (german) layout there are some key-combos which use AltGr 
> already (e.g. @ is AltGr+q, � is AltGr+e), so I'm pretty used to it 
> and I mapped some other keys to use AltGr for a combo as well, e.g. 
> typographic quotes. If you don't use AltGr yet, it might be worth a 
> try. We only have to make sure that it doesn't interfere with 
> Ctrl+Alt.

I don't use AltGr, let's try.

> 
> Can you give me the output of keytrap.scanmode on your system for 
the 
> keys Ctrl, Alt, AltGr?

>From left to right, ctrl,alt,AltGr,unknown-key,ctrl:

Ctrl, ScanCode=29, vkcode=162 ( or 17 )
Alt, ScanCode=56, vkcode=164 ( or 18 )
Right Alt, ScanCode=56, vkcode=165 ( or 18 )
Application, ScanCode=93, vkcode=93
Right Ctrl, ScanCode=29, vkcode=163 ( or 17 )

> 
> > prefix : hit ` followed by a to get � (this is the pp macro way,
> >   and also the microsoft international locale way)
> 
> What was the reason again, that this doesn't work for you?

Depending on the PC I'm using, or the application I'm using, it just 
isn't reliable. It doesn't work at all with Ecco. It doesn't work with 
vim (but in another way). With Microsoft Office apps sometimes it 
works, other times it pops up application menus, closes the app, etc. 
It isn't suitable for touchtyping.

Thanks
-sgp



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