powermail-discuss Digest #2735 - Thursday, November 15, 2007
(copy of a) request regarding deletion of downloaded IMAP message attach
by "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Did I make a huge mistake here?
by "John Maylone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
by "Marlyse Comte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
by "Michael J. Hußmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
by "T.L. Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
by "John Maylone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
by "T.L. Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
by "Richard Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
by "John Maylone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Bug report PM addressbook and apostrophes (copy)
by "Sean McBride" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
by "T.L. Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Bug report PM addressbook and apostrophes (copy)
by "Michael J. Hußmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Bug report PM addressbook and apostrophes (copy)
by "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Very Odd, Auto Replies Went Chinese
by "Steve Tarpin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Very Odd, Auto Replies Went Chinese
by "Tim Lapin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Very Odd, Auto Replies Went Chinese
by "Tim Lapin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Very Odd, Auto Replies Went Chinese
by "Steve Tarpin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Very Odd, Auto Replies Went Chinese
by "A-NO-NE Music" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: (copy of a) request regarding deletion of downloaded IMAP message
attachments
From: "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:57:28 +0100
A copy of what was sent to CTM support:
"request regarding deletion of downloaded IMAP message attachments:
I think the dialog "Erase (EXPUNGE) Deleted Messages..." that is shown
prior to erasing messages at the IMAP server in use, should in addition
also inform that already downloaded messages also will be deleted. An
option to keep those attachments would be most helpful. "
Mikael
Tech facts:
PM 5.5.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook G4/400 Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD
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Subject: Did I make a huge mistake here?
From: "John Maylone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:30:07 -0800
I just upgraded to Leopard. I cloned my hard drive, did a clean
install, then copied the files back into Leopard from the clone.
When I went to open PowerMail it told me that it needed to upgrade
the database to be compatible with PM 5.5, that I should make a
backup copy of the mail file and then proceed. Instead of seeing
warning flares and hearing warning sirens, I went ahead and did this.
Then when PM finally opened, the newest mail showing in the database
was dated October 22, 2006......13 months ago.
I have this sinking feeling........what have I done to myself here?
Any help for the embarrassed old guy will be greatly appreciated.
John
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Subject: Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
From: "Marlyse Comte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:44:04 -0600
well, as a first - as you cloned your hard drive you obviously still
have that to fall back onto.
second - I wonder why you did not migrate?
third - how about deleting all PM from your Leopard drive (i.e. trash
prefs and the database created etc.) and try again - by copying the
former PM database over from your clone, feel free to backup this time
around when it asks you to.
fourth - a possibility : is it pointing at the correct database to open?
---marlyse
------------ former message(s) quotes: -------------
>
>I just upgraded to Leopard. I cloned my hard drive, did a clean
>install, then copied the files back into Leopard from the clone.
>
>When I went to open PowerMail it told me that it needed to upgrade
>the database to be compatible with PM 5.5, that I should make a
>backup copy of the mail file and then proceed. Instead of seeing
>warning flares and hearing warning sirens, I went ahead and did this.
>Then when PM finally opened, the newest mail showing in the database
>was dated October 22, 2006......13 months ago.
>
>I have this sinking feeling........what have I done to myself here?
>
>Any help for the embarrassed old guy will be greatly appreciated.
>
>John
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
From: "Michael J. Hußmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:12:05 +0100
John Maylone ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Then when PM finally opened, the newest mail showing in the database
> was dated October 22, 2006......13 months ago.
Could it be that PowerMail found the wrong database -- an old backup
version perhaps? This seems to be the most likely explanation, given the
circumstances.
- Michael
Michael J. Hußmann
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW (personal): http://michael-hussmann.de
WWW (professional): http://digicam-experts.de
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Subject: Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
From: "T.L. Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:15:28 -0500
On 11/14/07, at 3:30 PM, John Maylone [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>I just upgraded to Leopard. I cloned my hard drive, did a clean
>install, then copied the files back into Leopard from the clone.
I'll bet your clone was made w/ CCC instead of SuperDuper. I had no PM
DB problem using Migration Assistant from a FWHD SuperDuper clone.
>When I went to open PowerMail it told me that it needed to upgrade
>the database to be compatible with PM 5.5, that I should make a
>backup copy of the mail file and then proceed. Instead of seeing
>warning flares and hearing warning sirens, I went ahead and did this.
>Then when PM finally opened, the newest mail showing in the database
>was dated October 22, 2006......13 months ago.
What happens when you use the clone as your Startup Drive?
Maybe this will help someone solve your problem.
Since SuperDuper is not compatible w/ Leopard yet, I did a CCC clone a
week after I installed Leopard and all was well. Last weekend I did a
"Copy selected items" using CCC to update my clone. For grins, I started
up from this clone and I got the same message you did about my PM DB. I
then erased my clone and did a full cloning and when I used the FWHD as
my Startup (as a test), all was normal with PM.
Tom Miller
..................................................
"The only time we see the middle of the road is as
we run from side to side." R.O.Clark
...................................................
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Subject: Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
From: "John Maylone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:01:25 -0800
Tom,
Thanks to you (and to all) for replying to my distress signal.
>>I just upgraded to Leopard. I cloned my hard drive, did a clean
>>install, then copied the files back into Leopard from the clone.
>
>I'll bet your clone was made w/ CCC instead of SuperDuper. I had no
>PM DB problem using Migration Assistant from a FWHD SuperDuper clone.
I used Intego's Personal Backup X4. It seems to have worked pretty
well with everything BUT PowerMail, but then I am still trying to
sort out other issues and really haven't gone "spelunking" for other
problems at this point.......but just now looking through the dates
in my Applications folder, for example, everything looks very much as
it should.
>>When I went to open PowerMail it told me that it needed to upgrade
>>the database to be compatible with PM 5.5, that I should make a
>>backup copy of the mail file and then proceed. Instead of seeing
>>warning flares and hearing warning sirens, I went ahead and did
>this.
>>Then when PM finally opened, the newest mail showing in the database
>>was dated October 22, 2006......13 months ago.
>
>What happens when you use the clone as your Startup Drive?
This is the frightening part; it gives me the same OLD database,
which has my head spinning and me wondering WTF is this curse around
me and Mac OS upgrades. When I installed Tiger on top of OS X 10.3,
it became a huge disaster, I lost a lot of info and wound up having
to do a clean install. This time I wanted to avoid that so I did the
clone thing (which, BTW, has worked for me BEFORE) and here I am
staring another big loss in the face.
>Maybe this will help someone solve your problem.
I can only hope that this is the case. Thanks again to you and all
for replying.
Cheers,
John
>Since SuperDuper is not compatible w/ Leopard yet, I did a CCC clone
>a week after I installed Leopard and all was well. Last weekend I
did a
>"Copy selected items" using CCC to update my clone. For grins, I
>started up from this clone and I got the same message you did about
my PM DB.
>I then erased my clone and did a full cloning and when I used the
FWHD
>as my Startup (as a test), all was normal with PM.
>
>
>
>
>Tom Miller
>..................................................
>"The only time we see the middle of the road is as
>we run from side to side." R.O.Clark
>...................................................
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Subject: Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
From: "T.L. Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:10:26 -0500
On 11/14/07, at 5:01 PM, John Maylone [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>>>Then when PM finally opened, the newest mail showing in the database
>>>was dated October 22, 2006......13 months ago.
>>
>>What happens when you use the clone as your Startup Drive?
>
>This is the frightening part; it gives me the same OLD database,
>which has my head spinning and me wondering WTF is this curse around
>me and Mac OS upgrades.
By "OLD," you mean the 2006 DB not the most recent DB, right? Could it
be that Intego's Personal Backup somehow gave your clone the 2006 DB?
Tom Miller
..................................................
"The only time we see the middle of the road is as
we run from side to side." R.O.Clark
...................................................
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Subject: Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
From: "Richard Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:38:45 -0600
Your most recent database should be in your USER folder NOT the
Applications folder.
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Subject: Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
From: "John Maylone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:51:16 -0800
Richard,
I didn't make myself clear.
The message file that my PM is using is in the
HD/Users/Me/Mail/PowerMail Files folder, and the file name is Message
Database. I mentioned the Applications folder only in the context
that I had checked the file dates in that to see if there were any
other apparent problems as a result of the upgrade to Leopard.
BTW, I'm still stumped here.
Thanks for replying!
Cheers,
John
>Your most recent database should be in your USER folder NOT the
>Applications folder.
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Subject: Re: Bug report PM addressbook and apostrophes (copy)
From: "Sean McBride" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:20:30 -0500
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Subject: Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
From: "T.L. Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:22:46 -0500
On 11/14/07, at 9:38 PM, Richard Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>Your most recent database should be in your USER folder NOT the
>Applications folder.
My most recent DB is in my Applications folder. I do have some PM files,
including a Message DB, in my User folder, but they are 2 1/2 years ago
-- probably for 5.2.
Tom Miller
..................................................
"The only time we see the middle of the road is as
we run from side to side." R.O.Clark
...................................................
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Subject: Re: Bug report PM addressbook and apostrophes (copy)
From: "Michael J. Hußmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:05:16 +0100
Sean McBride ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>>> When using a name containing an apostrophe in the name part ( I have yet
>>> to see such an email address)
>>
>> And you will never see one, because accented letters (and all other
>> characters outside the ASCII character set, plus some ASCII characters)
>> are not allowed in mail addresses.
>
> See also:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_E-mail>
Just to clear that up: with "never", I didn't intend to mean "never
until the heat-death of the universe", just "never, given current
internet standards". MB had mentioned that he had "yet to see such an
email address", but it wasn't like there was someone out there with an
email address containing accented or umlauted characters, and once this
person would write MB, he would eventually see such an email address. He
hasn't seen such an email address because there aren't any.
Obviously, current restrictions can be lifted and characters outside the
ASCII range will some day be allowed in email addresses. When that
happens, PowerMail should be updated to conform to the new standard.
Until then, it should conform to (and even enforce) the current standard.
(Now, personally, I am not a big fan of international email addresses,
even when perhaps I should, given that my name contains a character
outside the ASCII range. But that's a different issue.)
- Michael
Michael J. Hußmann
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW (personal): http://michael-hussmann.de
WWW (professional): http://digicam-experts.de
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Subject: Re: Bug report PM addressbook and apostrophes (copy)
From: "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:28:50 +0100
Michael J. Hußmann told:
>yet to see such an
>email address", but it wasn't like there was someone out there with an
>email address containing accented or umlauted characters
For some reason I feel compelled to point out that I obviously knew this
was the reason I hadn't seen any. As now have been established, this
side-issue has absolutely nothing to do with the accented character
problem in the native PowerMail addressbook that now have both have been
verified and for which two workarounds have been found as well. Let's
leave it like that.
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Subject: Very Odd, Auto Replies Went Chinese
From: "Steve Tarpin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:52:36 -0500
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Subject: Re: Very Odd, Auto Replies Went Chinese
From: "Tim Lapin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:03:40 -0500
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Subject: Re: Very Odd, Auto Replies Went Chinese
From: "Tim Lapin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:06:34 -0500
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Subject: Re: Very Odd, Auto Replies Went Chinese
From: "Steve Tarpin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:24:16 -0500
>Have you tried running that through a translator to see if it
>corresponds to your auto-reply text? If so, I would suggest that
>somehow the character set got reset somewhere along the line.
Thanks for the quick reply Tim. Actually, I did try translating with a
translation widget (both traditional chinese and simplified han) and the
string was unrecognized, even in smaller snippets. There is a tendency
on my part to think of whatever happened as being somewhat "invasive",
but since the characters are not really saying anything recognizable I'm
putting those thoughts aside.
Regards...
Steve
http://www.keylime.com
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Subject: Re: Very Odd, Auto Replies Went Chinese
From: "A-NO-NE Music" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:31:22 -0500
Steve Tarpin / 07.11.15 / 11:24 AM wrote:
>Thanks for the quick reply Tim. Actually, I did try translating with a
>translation widget (both traditional chinese and simplified han) and the
>string was unrecognized, even in smaller snippets.
I don't know anything about Chinese, but what you posted looked like
corrupted EUC encoding strings.
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