powermail-discuss Digest #2755 - Saturday, December 15, 2007
Re: PowerMail 5.6.1 universal released
by "A-NO-NE Music" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re(2): PowerMail 5.6.1 universal released
by "Alan Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: powermail quits when connected without waiting for user interaction
by "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: PowerMail 5.6.1 universal released
by "Tim Lapin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: powermail quits when connected without waiting for user interaction
by "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: powermail quits when connected without waiting for user interaction
by "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re(2): powermail quits when connected without waiting for user interactio
by "Alan Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: PowerMail 5.6.1 universal released
by "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: PowerMail 5.6.1 universal released
by "A-NO-NE Music" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: powermail quits when connected without waiting for user interaction
by "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: powermail quits when connected without waiting for user interaction
by "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: PowerMail 5.6.1 universal released
by "Derry Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: PowerMail 5.6.1 universal released
From: "A-NO-NE Music" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:08:41 -0500
CTM info / 07.12.13 / 5:50 PM wrote:
>We are pleased to announce the release of PowerMail 5.6.1
5.6.1 still uses a huge chunk of memory under Leo. 900MB Rsize, and
1.8GB Vsize. Can this be improved or something is wrong with my
system? The vm piling up (was it a memory leak?) seems to be better
with 5.6.1 but still I am choking up with PM memory usage.
Is anyone experiencing this?
--
- Hiro
Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA
<http://a-no-ne.com> <http://anonemusic.com>
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Subject: Re(2): PowerMail 5.6.1 universal released
From: "Alan Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:37:13 -0800
Process ID: 560
Process Name: PowerMail
User: alan
%CPU: 1-4% (varying)
# Threads: 10
Real Memory: 71.27MB
Virtual Memory: 426.97MB
Kind: Intel
OSX 10.4.11
Database size 1GB
PowerMail v 5.6 build 4497
A
A-NO-NE Music ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said on 12/14/07:
>CTM info / 07.12.13 / 5:50 PM wrote:
>
>>We are pleased to announce the release of PowerMail 5.6.1
>
>5.6.1 still uses a huge chunk of memory under Leo. 900MB Rsize, and
>1.8GB Vsize. Can this be improved or something is wrong with my
>system? The vm piling up (was it a memory leak?) seems to be better
>with 5.6.1 but still I am choking up with PM memory usage.
>
>Is anyone experiencing this?
>
>--
>
>- Hiro
>
>Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA
><http://a-no-ne.com> <http://anonemusic.com>
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: powermail quits when connected without waiting for user interaction
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:41:16 +0000
On 14/12/07, Alan Harper, discombobulated, unleashed:
>PowerMail decides to get mail
>You decide to quit while it is getting mail
>PowerMail puts up a dialog warning you
>PowerMail finishes getting mail
>PowerMail closes the dialog for you, and then quits
Confirmed from this user. It's just right.
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Cheers,
Cotty
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|| (O) | People, Places, Pastiche
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Subject: Re: PowerMail 5.6.1 universal released
From: "Tim Lapin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:42:27 -0500
On Friday, December 14, 2007, A-NO-NE Music sent forth:
>CTM info / 07.12.13 / 5:50 PM wrote:
>
>>We are pleased to announce the release of PowerMail 5.6.1
>
>5.6.1 still uses a huge chunk of memory under Leo. 900MB Rsize, and
>1.8GB Vsize. Can this be improved or something is wrong with my
>system? The vm piling up (was it a memory leak?) seems to be better
>with 5.6.1 but still I am choking up with PM memory usage.
>
>Is anyone experiencing this?
>
>--
>
>- Hiro
>
>Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA
><http://a-no-ne.com> <http://anonemusic.com>
>
Must be a Leopard thing or even a 5.6.1 thing.
Here is what I get, using 5.5.3 under Tiger on an Intel iMac. The
following was taken from Activity Manager just a few moments ago.
PowerMail had been running for at least 8 consecutive hours, with 2
hours actual CPU time:
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PID Name % CPU # of Threads Real Mem. Virt. Mem
--- ---- ----- ------------ --------- ---------
210 PowerMail 0.30 11 39.55 MB 397.62 MB
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Tim Lapin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Intel iMac OS 10.4.11 PowerMail 5.5.3 1 GB RAM 250 GB HD
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Subject: Re: powermail quits when connected without waiting for user interaction
From: "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:33:49 +0100
Barbara Needham told:
>I have noticed this as well. The trouble is that I think I might be
>behind on version, now 5.2.1.
I think you're right that this problem have been around for some time.
>It happens when connected via pop also. Once in a while it waits.
I haven't experienced this yet with POP. Is it actually the same dialog?
please folks, anyone else can verifiy this behaviour with IMAP connections?
Mikael
Technoids:
PM 5.5.3 build 4480 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.4 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
G4 / 400 | 1GB | 80GB
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Subject: Re: powermail quits when connected without waiting for user interaction
From: "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:36:30 +0100
Alan Harper suggested:
>Perhaps this is what is happening
>
>PowerMail decides to get mail
>You decide to quit while it is getting mail
>PowerMail puts up a dialog warning you
>PowerMail finishes getting mail
>PowerMail closes the dialog for you, and then quits
>
>This is the behavior I have seen (I don't use IMAP), and it seems
>consistent and useful to me, and exactly what I want PM to do.
Well, no this dialog is specific to IMAP I'm pretty sure (I'll have to
dig around to be 100% sure). Using an IMAP account means you're
connected all the time. When you're not connected you can't read your
messages as they are on the server.
The main issue: What's this dialog about if not to remind the user that
they are connected and have the choice "Quit Anyway" or "Abort"? I have
NEVER managed to get to abort the few times I actually wanted to. What's
he rationale behind and the well adviced choice behind having PM show a
dialog indicating user interaction and then "close the dialog" within
seconds. How is that sound interface design, Alan?
It's of course possible that the dialog concerns itself with *any*
connection and treats IMAP as the bastard child and second citizen as PM
normally does along the lines you suggest. The dialog is still not well
advised interface design, I think.
Either way I'd prefer either some PM waiting time to actually be able to
get to "abort" if that is what the user wants, or the dialog not to be
shown because of an IMAP-connection.
Mikael
Technoids:
PM 5.5.3 build 4480 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.4 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
G4 / 400 | 1GB | 80GB
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Subject: Re(2): powermail quits when connected without waiting for user
interaction
From: "Alan Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:55:49 -0800
If you use PowerMail without IMAP, and you quit while it is checking
mail, a dialog comes up that says "You are currently connected. Are you
sure you want to quit?"
MB ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said on 12/15/07:
>Well, no this dialog is specific to IMAP I'm pretty sure
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Subject: Re: PowerMail 5.6.1 universal released
From: "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:44:32 +0900
Am/On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:08:41 -0500 schrieb/wrote A-NO-NE Music:
>CTM info / 07.12.13 / 5:50 PM wrote:
>
>>We are pleased to announce the release of PowerMail 5.6.1
>
>5.6.1 still uses a huge chunk of memory under Leo. 900MB Rsize, and
>1.8GB Vsize. Can this be improved or something is wrong with my
>system? The vm piling up (was it a memory leak?) seems to be better
>with 5.6.1 but still I am choking up with PM memory usage.
>
>Is anyone experiencing this?
1 Gig virtual, but only 64 MB physical.
I guess the virtual memory depends on the size of your database.
But I'm not sure.
I'm running Leopard on a MacBookPro.
Thanks and all the best
Matthias
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Subject: Re: PowerMail 5.6.1 universal released
From: "A-NO-NE Music" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:52:58 -0500
Tim Lapin / 07.12.14 / 5:42 PM wrote:
>Must be a Leopard thing or even a 5.6.1 thing.
Yup, it's a Leo thing. As I reported a few times, PM has no issue under
Tiger. 5.6.1 did improve but still too much memory usage. One other
Leo specific thing is the startup freeze. I was wondering if it is
SpamSieve related since the timing PM froze seems to coincide with
SpamSieve launch.
--
- Hiro
Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA
<http://a-no-ne.com> <http://anonemusic.com>
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Subject: Re: powermail quits when connected without waiting for user interaction
From: "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:51:03 +0900
Am/On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:33:49 +0100 schrieb/wrote MB:
>Barbara Needham told:
>
>>I have noticed this as well. The trouble is that I think I might be
>>behind on version, now 5.2.1.
>I think you're right that this problem have been around for some time.
>
>>It happens when connected via pop also. Once in a while it waits.
>I haven't experienced this yet with POP. Is it actually the same dialog?
>
>
>please folks, anyone else can verifiy this behaviour with IMAP connections?
I just tried that and it looks like something pops up, but disappears so
quickly, that I even don't see it.
PM just disconnects from the imap account and quits, just as I would
expect it.
And btw, it looks to me the imap implementation has improved :-)
The search in PM has improved a lot.
Well done - Thanks ctmdev :-)
this is PM5.6.1 on an intel MacBookPro, running Leopard
Thanks and all the best
Matthias
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Subject: Re: powermail quits when connected without waiting for user interaction
From: "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:07:00 +0100
Matthias Schmidt told:
>I just tried that and it looks like something pops up, but disappears so
>quickly, that I even don't see it.
>PM just disconnects from the imap account and quits, just as I would
>expect it.
Hmmmm, maybe it's what I'd like too actually. However, the dialog
shouldn't show up then only because of an IMAP connection is running,
unless there's some real activity going on, like for example an
attachment being downloaded or some other IMAP activity that shows up
with a progress bar within the process window.
I just verified that the dialog *is* respected when such a connection is
going on.
Hmmm, maybe this is a price that have to be paid then for getting this
dialog when there's something being done on the account that needs
completing. However, it's not the ideal. The ideal would be I think that
after the user quits the application:
1. an IMAPconnection is active but without specific process activity
beyond the connect: PowerMail quits without the dialog showing up at all.
?2. an IMAPconnection is active and there's some process running on the
IMAP account: the Quit Anyway/Abort dialog shows up and waits for user
interaction, or when the processes are completed it quits.
So it's only number 1 above that isn't working like I wish. It's a small
point in the whole, but it should be on a bug list because it is
actually bewildering behavior as the user may not know that there isn't
some important process running. I have no opinion on whether it should
be fixed however.
Mikael
Technoids:
PM 5.5.3 build 4480 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.4 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
G4 / 400 | 1GB | 80GB
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Subject: Re: PowerMail 5.6.1 universal released
From: "Derry Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:45:43 +0000
Tim Lapin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:42:27 -0500
>
>Must be a Leopard thing or even a 5.6.1 thing.
Not 5.6.1 I think.
This is what I get using 5.6.1 on a MacBook Pro with Tiger.
PowerMail 0.50 14 85.83 MB 324.71 MB
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Derry
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