powermail-discuss Digest #2875 - Tuesday, August 26, 2008
Re: PM6 hopes.. was:: reason for HTML-only?
by "Dave N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
reset used keychain?
by "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: reason for HTML-only?
by "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: reset used keychain?
by "Rene Merz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: reason for HTML-only?
by "C. A. Niemiec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: PM6 hopes.. was:: reason for HTML-only?
From: "Dave N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:08:56 -0700
Please add to my list of "Hopes" for PM6:
* Ability to highlight & copy text in a html message.
Dave N
in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Dave N's message of 10:40 AM, 8/24/08
>Since I have (finally) started to use the 3 pane view, I noticed that PM
>doesn't allow you to edit unsent emails in the 3rd pane. Even if you
>save an email & reopen it in the 3rd pane later, you may view, but not
>edit there. Sort of odd that you must open the unsent email in a
>separate window to work on it. This is a minor complaint, but one easily
>fixed in PM6 perhaps.
>
>Along with the usual feature requests of:
>*"Normal" Printing (with a print dialog box, message headers, choice of
>html or text versions, etc)
>* the infamous html issues
>* Find/Replace function in the email being edited.
>* Smart folders (saved searches)
>* Pop-up menu to file incoming emails AND outgoing emails.
>* More choices of toolbar functions.
>* Lift the 2 gb db limit.
>* Even more robust Filter criteria, to include IF this AND that, OR IF
>the other thing, then...
>* Continued support for the existing great features of PM for Power users.
>
>Best,
> Dave N
>
>in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Bill Schjelderup's message of 9:54
>AM, 8/24/08
>
>>I sure hope Powermail v6 is a real product and not vaporware....and that
>>one of it's major enhancements is better integration of HTML email.
>
>
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Subject: reset used keychain?
From: "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:06:41 +0200
PowerMail insists to use my login keychain even though I don't have any
info for a mail account there. Theyre in my user accounts keychain. This
keychains password is different from the account password.
How can I affect what keychain PowerMail wants to use? Can I reset this
somehow?
Mikael
Technoids:
PM 5.6.5 build 4509 sv / SpamSieve 2.7.1 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB
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Subject: Re: reason for HTML-only?
From: "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:06:41 +0200
C. A. Niemiec suggested:
>
>1. view plain text portion
>2. view HTML portion
>3. view HTML portion scrubbed to plain text
>
>#3 is HTML part minus tags. Links reduced to PowerMail's usual angle-
>bracketed plain text style.
The 3rd alternative is usually possible with PM since some time, if
there is no pure text part. If there is a pure text part, usually it
makes sense to default to that. I'd consider it feature though to be
able to view any HTML-message to text only, even if there was a pure
text part.
However, some HTML-messages end up as attachments only, which is a big
problem IMHO. Some problems with this:
? The PM built-search index won't contain the data as it's only
available in an external file. Thus, information in these attached files
won't turn up in any searches.
? The information is fragile. If the external file is moved or deleted
only an empty message will be what's left.
? The information can only be read, copied and treated in the web
browser, which is quite inconvenient.
? It's likely that forwards or redirects will keep the message as
attachment only, which will expand the problem to users of other more
HTML-capable email clients.
>Friends (sic), family, co-workers all get their HTML mail via the client
>of their choice. PowerMail users can send back plain text replies.
>PowerMail users with a grudge against HTML mail can send back plain text
>with maniacal glee.
Hehe, this sounds nice.
>Would this really take more than some regex?
Why? It's much better to let an HTML interpreter do its stuff and use
the result, which is text after all (and media obviously, but that would
have to be scrapped I think). Which is what PM does now.
Mikael
Technoids:
PM 5.6.5 build 4509 sv / SpamSieve 2.7.1 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB
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Subject: Re: reset used keychain?
From: "Rene Merz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:40:05 +0200
MB wrote:
>PowerMail insists to use my login keychain even though I don't have any
>info for a mail account there. Theyre in my user accounts keychain. This
>keychains password is different from the account password.
>How can I affect what keychain PowerMail wants to use? Can I reset this
>somehow?
>
Have a look at your keychain access (service application) of your mac.
>
>Mikael
>
>Technoids:
>PM 5.6.5 build 4509 sv / SpamSieve 2.7.1 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
>G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB
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Subject: Re: reason for HTML-only?
From: "C. A. Niemiec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:05:46 -0400
>However, some HTML-messages end up as attachments only, which is a big
>problem IMHO. Some problems with this:
>
>? The PM built-search index won't contain the data as it's only
>available in an external file. Thus, information in these attached files
>won't turn up in any searches.
>? The information is fragile. If the external file is moved or deleted
>only an empty message will be what's left.
>? The information can only be read, copied and treated in the web
>browser, which is quite inconvenient.
I would envision an HTML importer that would squeeze the content of
".html" attachments sans tags into a message that would be indexed and
placed in the database as normal (heh, as a "normal" message).
ala:
Mail > Import HTML attachment as text
... and a corresponding action for filter purposes. If message is [ not
evaluated as spam || from sender in address book || etc ], make a plain
text part from HTML attachment.
>? It's likely that forwards or redirects will keep the message as
>attachment only, which will expand the problem to users of other more
>HTML-capable email clients.
Forwarding with attachments -- didn't think of that.
>>Would this really take more than some regex?
>
>Why? It's much better to let an HTML interpreter do its stuff and use
>the result, which is text after all (and media obviously, but that would
>have to be scrapped I think). Which is what PM does now.
For PowerMail to create a tagless, plain text version of the HTML part
would take more than regex? Or take the results of the HTML interpreter
and make plain text of that? Same end: text I can select from within
PowerMail for quoting or whatnot.
I guess my point was I wouldn't have to use/look at the HTML interpreter
unless the conversion ended up too scrambled. I honestly don't get
enough HTML messages to know how often this would be.
Chris
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