powermail-discuss Digest #2881 - Wednesday, September 3, 2008
Re(4): One other wish for PM6
by "Paul Collett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: One other wish for PM6
by "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: One other wish for PM6
by "Tim Hodgson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re(2): One other wish for PM6
by "Bill Schjelderup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: One other wish for PM6
by "Jeremy Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re(3): One other wish for PM6
by "Alan Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re(2): One other wish for PM6
by "Alan Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: One other wish for PM6
by "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re(4): One other wish for PM6
From: "Paul Collett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:09:10 +0900
I'd like to see similar changes, too - these are definite annoyances.
On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:26:15 -0700 Alan Harper (by way of Alan Harper
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>3) Don't be so eager to check email. When I wake up my laptop, wait a
>few seconds before checking and let the wireless connection come up.
>
>4) Give me one error message when you can't get email (because, eg,
>wireless is down). Don't give me one modal dialog for each account! Even
>better, use Growl.
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Subject: Re: One other wish for PM6
From: "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:04:21 +0900
Am/On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:26:15 -0700 schrieb/wrote Alan Harper (by way
of Alan Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>):
>1) Index html emails.
agreed.
>
>2) For emails that do not have a name in the From field, guess the name
>from the Address Book, and include the guessed name in the index and in
>the "From" column. This way when I am looking for emails from Bruce, I
>don't need to search on "Bruce1954yahoo" or whatever he was using that year!
this would be pretty uncommon.
In this case the subject is filled with <No subject> and this is imho
the correct behaviour.
Maybe an incoming mailfilter could do the rewrite according everyones wishes.
>
>3) Don't be so eager to check email. When I wake up my laptop, wait a
>few seconds before checking and let the wireless connection come up.
yes, this might also cure one kind of crash I rarely observe.
>
>4) Give me one error message when you can't get email (because, eg,
>wireless is down). Don't give me one modal dialog for each account! Even
>better, use Growl.
you can switch the dialog off in the preferences.
Growl sounds like a good idea.
>
>5) Stop random crashes.
I don't see any random crashes.
Crashes I observe are either connected to the IP stack, which stops
responding after the MacBook was asleep or to text encodings in
connection with a strange html mail.
Thanks and all the best
Matthias
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Subject: Re: One other wish for PM6
From: "Tim Hodgson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:17:53 +0100
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 6:04 am +0900, Matthias Schmidt wrote:
>>4) Give me one error message when you can't get email (because, eg,
>>wireless is down). Don't give me one modal dialog for each account! Even
>>better, use Growl.
>
>you can switch the dialog off in the preferences.
The problem though, as we've discussed before, is that if you switch off
the dialog you get no feedback at all (apart from an alert sound, if you
happen to be in front of the computer when it happens).
--
TimH
PowerMail 5.6.2 (build 4501) | OS X 10.4.11 | PowerBook G4/1.25GHz | 2 GB RAM
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Subject: Re(2): One other wish for PM6
From: "Bill Schjelderup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:27:31 -0600
I get frequent random crashes. i.e. 5-7 per week. Most don't require any
rebuilds, some require sorting index rebuilds.
After watching these for a long time, I believe they are related to
receiving email while performing some user activity -- long user
activities that often result in crashes are drag events and executing
applescripts with dialogs, like renaming subject line.
I have frequent mail checks, and I get approx 900 messages a day (until
our new hardware spam filter gets installed) so the difference between
my experiences and others just may be due to the frequency of incoming
messages, and thus the conflicts that could result in a crash.
I carry my email database between two different machines with similar
behavior on both - one an 8 core mac pro, the other a Macbook pro.
Clearly there may be some other common element...but so far, I've not
found any known conflicts with any other piece of software, and I run a
LOT of software.
My company's software had an issue with quicktime playing audio in a
threaded environment - so I turned off sound alerts...no difference.
Hopefully time and new releases will solve this problem for me, and others.
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>Am/On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:26:15 -0700 schrieb/wrote Alan Harper (by way
>of Alan Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>):
>
>>1) Index html emails.
>
>agreed.
>
>>
>>2) For emails that do not have a name in the From field, guess the name
>>from the Address Book, and include the guessed name in the index and in
>>the "From" column. This way when I am looking for emails from Bruce, I
>>don't need to search on "Bruce1954yahoo" or whatever he was using that year!
>
>this would be pretty uncommon.
>In this case the subject is filled with <No subject> and this is imho
>the correct behaviour.
>
>Maybe an incoming mailfilter could do the rewrite according everyones wishes.
>
>>
>>3) Don't be so eager to check email. When I wake up my laptop, wait a
>>few seconds before checking and let the wireless connection come up.
>
>yes, this might also cure one kind of crash I rarely observe.
>
>>
>>4) Give me one error message when you can't get email (because, eg,
>>wireless is down). Don't give me one modal dialog for each account! Even
>>better, use Growl.
>
>you can switch the dialog off in the preferences.
>Growl sounds like a good idea.
>
>>
>>5) Stop random crashes.
>
>I don't see any random crashes.
>Crashes I observe are either connected to the IP stack, which stops
>responding after the MacBook was asleep or to text encodings in
>connection with a strange html mail.
>
>
>
>Thanks and all the best
>
>Matthias
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: One other wish for PM6
From: "Jeremy Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:55:26 +0100
Bill Schjelderup (3/9/08, 16:27) said:
>After watching these for a long time, I believe they are related to
>receiving email while performing some user activity -- long user
>activities that often result in crashes are drag events and executing
>applescripts with dialogs, like renaming subject line.
I get crashes if iCal sends an email reminder when I'm compacting the
database.
Unfortunately, I have to compact the database every few days because of
the 2 GB limit. I'm currently holding out to see if the limit gets fixed
in PowerMail 6 - otherwise I shall reluctantly switch to Apple Mail or
something.
Jeremy
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Subject: Re(3): One other wish for PM6
From: "Alan Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:13:35 -0700
Yes, Bill's experience is similar to mine. I get an attachment, and I
start dragging it, and then have to think about where I want to it go,
meanwhile PowerMail goes off and tries to download more mail, and it
crashes. Very common. Not sure if that characterizes all my random
crashes, but it is is a common symptom.
A
Bill Schjelderup ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said on 9/3/08:
>After watching these for a long time, I believe they are related to
>receiving email while performing some user activity -- long user
>activities that often result in crashes are drag events and executing
>applescripts with dialogs, like renaming subject line.
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Subject: Re(2): One other wish for PM6
From: "Alan Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:23:52 -0700
I'm sorry Matthias, but what does the "From" header have to do with an
empty subject header?
Let me restate this. I have a friend who uses aol (ugh!). Her emails
come with the header:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If I open one of these emails up in a PowerMail window, the "From:" field has
Elaine XXXXXstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
However, if I look at my inbox, the From column has only her email and
not her name, and if I search on From: Elaine, these emails are not found.
However, she used to work at a school, and emails sent from there had
From: "XXXXXstone, Elaine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
and a search on From: Elaine does find these emails.
Is this clear?
To be clear, the reason I use PowerMail is because it allows me to find
specific emails quickly in a sea of communications. The fact that I
cannot find emails by name of the person sent to me (the case above),
and that I cannot find html-only emails makes it much less useful, and
has made me consider using a different program.
A
Matthias Schmidt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said on 9/3/08:
>>2) For emails that do not have a name in the From field, guess the name
>>from the Address Book, and include the guessed name in the index and in
>>the "From" column. This way when I am looking for emails from Bruce, I
>>don't need to search on "Bruce1954yahoo" or whatever he was using that year!
>
>this would be pretty uncommon.
>In this case the subject is filled with <No subject> and this is imho
>the correct behaviour.
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Subject: Re: One other wish for PM6
From: "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:40:07 +0900
Am/On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:23:52 -0700 schrieb/wrote Alan Harper:
>I'm sorry Matthias, but what does the "From" header have to do with an
>empty subject header?
ah, sorry, I overread that.
I thought you were talking about the subject field.
>
>Let me restate this. I have a friend who uses aol (ugh!). Her emails
>come with the header:
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>If I open one of these emails up in a PowerMail window, the "From:" field has
> Elaine XXXXXstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>However, if I look at my inbox, the From column has only her email and
>not her name, and if I search on From: Elaine, these emails are not found.
>
>However, she used to work at a school, and emails sent from there had
> From: "XXXXXstone, Elaine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>and a search on From: Elaine does find these emails.
>
>Is this clear?
yes, that makes sense.
Although the AOL header is not correct, it would be nice, if PM would be
smart enough to recognize that.
Thanks and all the best
Matthias
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