powermail-discuss Digest #2884 - Tuesday, September 9, 2008
Re: SpamSieve slowness
by "Michael Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug: Round 4
by "Sean McBride" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: SpamSieve slowness
by "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug: Round 4
by "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: SpamSieve slowness
by "Michael Tsai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: SpamSieve slowness
by "Michael Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: SpamSieve slowness
From: "Michael Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:23:56 -0500
Michael Tsai sez:
>Yes, it runs faster on Tiger. Apple made some of the APIs much slower
>in Leopard.
Sorry for drifintg off topic a bit, but this makes me want to ask something...
I haven't used the newer Leopard yet. This makes me want to ask if the
slowness is noticeable on newer Macs or not? I didn't install it on my
current G4 systems because I suspected it would bog down, but I figured
that'd be more due to the eye candy than the internal stuff.
Am I going to be disappointed when I finally am able to get that Intel
iMac I've been eyeing? (probably around the beginning of 2009...)
--
Michael Lewis
Off Balance Productions
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.offbalance.com
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Subject: Re: PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug: Round 4
From: "Sean McBride" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:29:31 -0400
C. A. Niemiec ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2008-1-28 10:19 AM said:
>So no sooner do I think it's over, when suddenly PowerMail refuses to
>hide, again.
I saw this interesting discussion on Apple's Carbon list:
<http://lists.apple.com/archives/carbon-dev/2008/Aug/msg00148.html>
from an Apple engineer: "I have occasionally seen failure-to-hide when
the application took an unusually long time to launch -- it bounced in
the Dock, and stopped because the Dock (or some other part of the
system) gave up on expecting the app to finish launching.
When it happened, quitting and relaunching the app always fixed it for me.
If you're seeing the same thing I am, I doubt there's anything your app
can do about it (unless the reason for very-long launch time is under
the app's control)."
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Subject: Re: SpamSieve slowness
From: "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:39:22 +0900
Am/On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:23:56 -0500 schrieb/wrote Michael Lewis:
>Michael Tsai sez:
>
>>Yes, it runs faster on Tiger. Apple made some of the APIs much slower
>>in Leopard.
>
>Sorry for drifintg off topic a bit, but this makes me want to ask
something...
>
>I haven't used the newer Leopard yet. This makes me want to ask if the
>slowness is noticeable on newer Macs or not? I didn't install it on my
>current G4 systems because I suspected it would bog down, but I figured
>that'd be more due to the eye candy than the internal stuff.
I'm running Leopard on both, a G4 PowerBook and a MacBook Pro and we are
very pleased with the performance and stability on both boxes.
The G4 doesn't feel slower than under Tiger.
Thanks and all the best
Matthias
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Subject: Re: PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug: Round 4
From: "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:48:08 +0900
Am/On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:29:31 -0400 schrieb/wrote Sean McBride:
>C. A. Niemiec ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2008-1-28 10:19 AM said:
>
>>So no sooner do I think it's over, when suddenly PowerMail refuses to
>>hide, again.
>
>I saw this interesting discussion on Apple's Carbon list:
><http://lists.apple.com/archives/carbon-dev/2008/Aug/msg00148.html>
>
>from an Apple engineer: "I have occasionally seen failure-to-hide when
>the application took an unusually long time to launch -- it bounced in
>the Dock, and stopped because the Dock (or some other part of the
>system) gave up on expecting the app to finish launching.
>
>When it happened, quitting and relaunching the app always fixed it for me.
>
>If you're seeing the same thing I am, I doubt there's anything your app
>can do about it (unless the reason for very-long launch time is under
>the app's control)."
I've read that discussion, but in the case of PM I think there's another
reason behind it.
Imho the Menu API in connection with apps using the carbon api has some
bugs, so I don't think it's only PM's fault.
I don't expect this to be fixed, because Apple won't put anymore
ressources into carbon. Everything goes to develop the cocoa framework
and this means using basically Objective-C in the future.
Thanks and all the best
Matthias
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Subject: Re: SpamSieve slowness
From: "Michael Tsai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 23:36:19 -0400
On Sep 8, 2008, at 10:23 PM, Michael Lewis wrote:
>> Yes, it runs faster on Tiger. Apple made some of the APIs much slower
>> in Leopard.
>
> Sorry for drifintg off topic a bit, but this makes me want to ask
> something...
>
> I haven't used the newer Leopard yet. This makes me want to ask if the
> slowness is noticeable on newer Macs or not? I didn't install it on my
> current G4 systems because I suspected it would bog down, but I
> figured
> that'd be more due to the eye candy than the internal stuff.
The part that's much slower is a very specific area that SpamSieve
happens to stress a lot, but which most applications don't. When
running on Leopard, SpamSieve uses my own code instead, which is much
faster than Leopard's but not as fast as Tiger's. With a normal-sized
SpamSieve corpus, the difference is barely noticeable.
Overall, I'd say that Leopard is only slightly slower than Tiger on a
G4. If you have a GB of RAM, I'd definitely run Leopard.
--
Michael Tsai <http://c-command.com>
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Subject: Re: SpamSieve slowness
From: "Michael Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 01:27:29 -0500
Thanks for the info Matthias and Michael. Since it will likely be some
time before I can get the new computer, maybe I'll go ahead and pick up
Leopard after all.
--
Michael Lewis
Off Balance Productions
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.offbalance.com
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