powermail-discuss Digest #2872 - Thursday, August 26, 2010
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
by "Jefferis Peterson" <jeffe...@petersonsales.net>
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
by "Rene Merz" <r.m...@telquel.net>
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
by "Jefferis Peterson" <jeffe...@petersonsales.net>
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
by "MB" <digital.disc...@gmail.com>
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
by "Rene Merz" <r.m...@telquel.net>
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
by "Tim lapin" <t...@sympatico.ca>
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
by "Tim Hodgson" <thn...@pobox.com>
Re(2): Switching to Powermail maybe
by "Peter Lovell" <plov...@mac.com>
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
by "Jefferis Peterson" <jeffe...@petersonsales.net>
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
by "Jefferis Peterson" <jeffe...@petersonsales.net>
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Subject: Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
From: "Jefferis Peterson" <jeffe...@petersonsales.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:11:26 -0400
On 8/25/10 11:39 AM, "Rene Merz" wrote:
>
> How?
> Once you work with PM, the other time with Entourage?
> Sounds crazy ...
>
> You cannot work with two different mail programs. Of course you can, but
> problems are preprogrammed.
>
Come on it isn't that complex. I have a laptop. On the laptop when I am
away, I check POP email on my site. I sort the mail as it comes in. I'm
testing PM as a replacement for Entourage.
When I get home, I fire up my desktop and run Entourage. All the email not
manually deleted in PM on the laptop SHOULD remain on the server for
download in Entourage.
What I found is that some of the messages that should have been left on the
server were gone.
Jeff
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jefferis Peterson, Pres.
Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com
(724)-482-2015
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Subject: Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
From: "Rene Merz" <r.m...@telquel.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:42:24 +0200
Jefferis Peterson hat am Mittwoch, 25. August 2010 geschrieben:
>> How?
>> Once you work with PM, the other time with Entourage?
>> Sounds crazy ...
>>
>> You cannot work with two different mail programs. Of course you can, but
>> problems are preprogrammed.
>>
>
>Come on it isn't that complex. I have a laptop. On the laptop when I am
>away, I check POP email on my site. I sort the mail as it comes in. I'm
>testing PM as a replacement for Entourage.
>When I get home, I fire up my desktop and run Entourage. All the email not
>manually deleted in PM on the laptop SHOULD remain on the server for
>download in Entourage.
>What I found is that some of the messages that should have been left on the
>server were gone.
I don't know how Entourage works, but I guess it's different from PM ...
However:
Just for such cases (mobile mailing _and_ home/office mailing with the
same account) an IMAP4 account should be your method of choice! It's
much better and safer then a POP3 account.
To understand the big difference have a look at this:
<http://www1.umn.edu/adcs/guides/email/imapvspop.html>
<http://email.cityu.edu.hk/faq/popimap.htm>
Helpful for the IMAP installation on PM:
<http://www.ctmdev.com/powermail/manual/imap.html>
(<http://www.ctmdev.com/powermail/manual/>)
And finally:
You better work with the same mail software on laptop and home pc.
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Subject: Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
From: "Jefferis Peterson" <jeffe...@petersonsales.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:08:04 -0400
On 8/25/10 5:05 PM, "PowerMail discussions" wrote:
>>> However:
>>> Just for such cases (mobile mailing_and_ home/office mailing with the
>>> same account) an IMAP4 account should be your method of choice! It's
>>> much better and safer then a POP3 account.
>>>
>>> To understand the big difference have a look at this:
>>>
Well, for mobile apps, that makes sense I guess. But for the home
office, I don't want to store mail on the server and have it set to
delete it after 30 days. Having a local copy and a searchable database
of emails is part of my workflow. Otherwise with IMAP I have to leave
it disorganized online or I have to duplicate my folder structure on the
server. That is a pain and a duplication of my efforts. Not efficient or
helpful.
Jeff
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jefferis Peterson, Pres.
Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com
(724)-482-2015
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Subject: Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
From: "MB" <digital.disc...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:14:05 +0200
Jefferis Peterson said:
>What I found was that it was not deleting some mail, but appears to be
>deleting some mail I do not want it to when I move the mail from the Inbox
>to a folder on my computer.
What do you mean "move the mail from the Inbox to a folder on my
computer"? You lost messages when copying already downloaded messages to
another folder? Or do you mean you copied them via IMAP?
I do not trust PowerMail with deleting messages via POP. I just let the
server deal with them.
But POP is tired. IMAP is way hotter. What kind of people these days
want *only* download messages to one location? Leaving messages on the
server is the norm as far as I can see.
One other big major drawback with PowerMail is physical folders.
Physical folders are tired. Virtual folders are wired. We should have
had them in version 5 already. Really.
The only reason I stay with PM is I don't have time to familiarize
myself with another client and most other clients interface details suck
to some extent. But PM is aging and is in need of rejuvenation.
MB
Technoids:
PM 6.0.5 build 4621 sv | OS X 10.5.8 | PowerMac G5 Dual 2.0 | 4GB / 1.5TB/MB
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Subject: Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
From: "Rene Merz" <r.m...@telquel.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:57:44 +0200
Jefferis Peterson wrote:
>>>> However:
>>>> Just for such cases (mobile mailing_and_ home/office mailing with the
>>>> same account) an IMAP4 account should be your method of choice! It's
>>>> much better and safer then a POP3 account.
>>>>
>Well, for mobile apps, that makes sense I guess. But for the home
>office, I don't want to store mail on the server and have it set to
>delete it after 30 days. Having a local copy and a searchable database
>of emails is part of my workflow. Otherwise with IMAP I have to leave
>it disorganized online or I have to duplicate my folder structure on the
>server. That is a pain and a duplication of my efforts. Not efficient or
>helpful.
Well, unteachable people should stop whine about home-made problems ...
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Subject: Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
From: "Tim lapin" <t...@sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 09:46:07 -0400
Actually, one only has to do that once and then the folder structure is
shown on ALL IMAP clients. Most importantly, it includes one's Sent
mail data as well.
The consistent and complete folder structure is the very strength of
IMAP. Better yet, if the server is fairly full featured, one could set
up all the rules on the server, thereby insuring that filtering is
applied equally in all situations and not simply on the client that
happens to have the filters defined locally. The other option is to
define a full set of filters and rules on each client, making sure that
said rules are identical in each case. A fair amount of work.
I used to work exactly as you do. Multiple POP clients, with the
primary one cleaning up the server database automatically and the others
set to "Leave on Server Indefinitely". That worked until my work
environment evolved to a point where Exchange / IMAP became more useful
and my personal email environment became gmail centric.
On 25/08/2010 5:08 PM, Jefferis Peterson wrote:
> On 8/25/10 5:05 PM, "PowerMail discussions" wrote:
>
>>>> However:
>>>> Just for such cases (mobile mailing_and_ home/office mailing with the
>>>> same account) an IMAP4 account should be your method of choice! It's
>>>> much better and safer then a POP3 account.
>>>>
>>>> To understand the big difference have a look at this:
>>>>
> Well, for mobile apps, that makes sense I guess. But for the home
> office, I don't want to store mail on the server and have it set to
> delete it after 30 days. Having a local copy and a searchable database
> of emails is part of my workflow. Otherwise with IMAP I have to leave
> it disorganized online or I have to duplicate my folder structure on the
> server. That is a pain and a duplication of my efforts. Not efficient or
> helpful.
>
> Jeff
>
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Subject: Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
From: "Tim Hodgson" <thn...@pobox.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:13:59 +0100
On 25 Aug 2010, at 4:52pm, Tim lapin wrote:
>
> On 25/08/2010 3:21 AM, MB wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, I'm not that fond of Mails interface nor the one mailbox
>> per account, but as I'm slowly moving to IMAP, PowerMail is slowly
>> loosing its value for me. I wish CTM would make IMAP full citizen, but I
>> have seen nothing that indicates this could be on the horizon
>
> Sounds *exactly* like my experience.
>
> I too am moving towards IMAP, be it gmail or the MS Exchange version. It is
> not so much a choice as a realization that to do what I need to do with
> e-mail requires the migration from POP to IMAP.
>
> Yes, the interface in Mail is decidedly messier and busier than that of
> PowerMail. I have always liked PM's clean look and might, therefore, go back
> to it full time *IF* IMAP was given equal consideration as POP.
I think there are a lot of us out there! I moved over to Mail about 5 months
ago, mainly because of the IMAP issue, but I have similar feelings about Mail's
UI, and still keep an eye on this list, hoping for some good news on the
upgrade front.
--
TimH
PowerMail 6.0.3 (build 4609) | OS X 10.6.4 | MacBook Pro/2.4GHz | 4 GB RAM
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Subject: Re(2): Switching to Powermail maybe
From: "Peter Lovell" <plov...@mac.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:41:31 -0400
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010, Tim Hodgson <thn...@pobox.com> wrote:
>On 25 Aug 2010, at 4:52pm, Tim lapin wrote:
>
>>
>> On 25/08/2010 3:21 AM, MB wrote:
>>
>>> Unfortunately, I'm not that fond of Mails interface nor the one mailbox
>>> per account, but as I'm slowly moving to IMAP, PowerMail is slowly
>>> loosing its value for me. I wish CTM would make IMAP full citizen, but I
>>> have seen nothing that indicates this could be on the horizon
>>
>
>> Sounds *exactly* like my experience.
>>
>> I too am moving towards IMAP, be it gmail or the MS Exchange version.
>It is not so much a choice as a realization that to do what I need to do
>with e-mail requires the migration from POP to IMAP.
>>
>> Yes, the interface in Mail is decidedly messier and busier than that
>of PowerMail. I have always liked PM's clean look and might, therefore,
>go back to it full time *IF* IMAP was given equal consideration as POP.
>
>I think there are a lot of us out there! I moved over to Mail about 5
>months ago, mainly because of the IMAP issue, but I have similar
>feelings about Mail's UI, and still keep an eye on this list, hoping for
>some good news on the upgrade front.
A word of caution for you IMAPers out there in the U.S.
Remember that email on servers is NOT in your house and Fourth Amendment
rules do not apply. Data on the server is owned by the service provider,
not by you.
Email that is (a) unread and, (2) less than six months old has some
protection, although the Government tried recently to remove it. Email
that has been read or is older than six months can be had with a Court
order if it's relevant to something. the "something" doesn't have to be
something you did, and the threshold is not "probable cause".
In one recent example, lawyers for an insurance company subpoenaed, and
received, the full Facebook details on a person's spouse, even though
she was not a party to the lawsuit. They felt it was "relevant" and the
Judge approved it.
So, watch out out there.
Cheers.....Peter
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Subject: Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
From: "Jefferis Peterson" <jeffe...@petersonsales.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:07:10 -0400
On 8/25/10 12:14 PM, "MB" wrote:
>
> What do you mean "move the mail from the Inbox to a folder on my
> computer"? You lost messages when copying already downloaded messages to
> another folder? Or do you mean you copied them via IMAP?
>
> I do not trust PowerMail with deleting messages via POP. I just let the
> server deal with them.
Connect, incoming messages are filtered and if they meet a filter, they are
sorted and placed in the appropriate folder in PM.
Leaving 2 gigs and a couple of years of messages on my server makes no sense
to me. My host has a storage limit and I have clients who not only do not
delete their messages but also don't empty their trash. This becomes a
problem for their storage limits and I have to go in and manually delete
their junk so they/I don't get charged more for breaking the storage limit
on my master account.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jefferis Peterson, Pres.
Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com
(724)-482-2015
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Subject: Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
From: "Jefferis Peterson" <jeffe...@petersonsales.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:14:36 -0400
On 8/26/10 2:57 AM, "Rene Merz" wrote:
>
> Well, unteachable people should stop whine about home-made problems ...
>
I'm not sure if that was directed at me, but if it was, it was really a very
unnecessary ad hominem. As I pointed out in my other email, storage online
is a concern, under my master account I have clients who abuse the storage
limits, so even a few gigs of email left on the server is a big problem when
you have multiple clients underneath a master account.
I'm looking at Eudora now, which I thought was EOL but it is now gone OSE
and the thing is BLISTERINGLY, BLINDINGLY FAST, both in connections, display
and search. It makes PM and Entourage look antique.
Jeff
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jefferis Peterson, Pres.
Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com
(724)-482-2015
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