powermail-discuss Digest #2892 - Wednesday, November 10, 2010
Re: 2 GB limit
by "Sean McBride" <[email protected]>
Re: 2 GB limit
by "John Snippe" <[email protected]>
Re: 2 GB limit
by "Barbara Needham" <[email protected]>
Re(2): 2 GB limit
by "Mark S. P. Smith" <[email protected]>
Re: 2 GB limit
by "Powermail" <[email protected]>
Re(2): 2 GB limit
by "Paul Schneider" <[email protected]>
Re(2): 2 GB limit
by "Paul Schneider" <[email protected]>
Re: Re(2): 2 GB limit
by "Peter Baral" <[email protected]>
Re: 2 GB limit
by "Jeremy Hughes" <[email protected]>
Re(3): 2 GB limit
by "CTM info" <[email protected]>
Re: 2 GB limit
by "m. osti" <[email protected]>
Re: Re(2): 2 GB limit
by "Jefferis Peterson" <[email protected]>
Re(2): 2 GB limit
by "Peter Lovell" <[email protected]>
Creator Codes
by "Tobias Jung" <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: 2 GB limit
From: "Sean McBride" <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 22:31:50 -0400
Paul Schneider ([email protected]) on 2010-11-05 18:11 said:
>Thank you John, good to know that I'm not the only one. In case CTM
>keeps ignoring my question about the limit, I'm afraid that I have to
>drop PM too.
Which email client are you all switching to? I'm not sure which to choose....
Sean
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Subject: Re: 2 GB limit
From: "John Snippe" <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 21:42:19 -0500
On 9-Nov-10, at 9:31 PM, Sean McBride wrote:
> Which email client are you all switching to? I'm not sure which to
> choose....
>
Currently using mail.app, but don't like it. I may try mailsmith.
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John Snippe
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Subject: Re: 2 GB limit
From: "Barbara Needham" <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 22:32:14 -0800
On 11/9/2010 6:42 PM, John Snippe wrote:
>
> On 9-Nov-10, at 9:31 PM, Sean McBride wrote:
>
>> Which email client are you all switching to? I'm not sure which to
>> choose....
>>
>
>
> Currently using mail.app, but don't like it. I may try mailsmith.
>
The closest I've found to PowerMail [on the dark side... Windows] is
Thunderbird. It isn't so bad on the mac, although Power Mail is better.
The searching is much improved over what it used to be and with the
extensions pretty good. They finally put "redirect" in basic Thunderbird
without having to get an extension for it. That was one of my favorite
things in power mail.
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Subject: Re(2): 2 GB limit
From: "Mark S. P. Smith" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:01:20 +0000
At Tue, 9 Nov 2010 22:31:50 -0400, the quick nimble fingers of Sean
McBride wrote:
>>Thank you John, good to know that I'm not the only one. In case CTM
>>keeps ignoring my question about the limit, I'm afraid that I have to
>>drop PM too.
>
>Which email client are you all switching to? I'm not sure which to
choose....
I have not dropped PM, but have switched to using Apple Mail for my IMAP
accounts (Gmail etc.). As a result, I am already looking at Jean
Michel's suggestion of using FoxTrot. However, for people trying to work
around the 2GB limit, being asked to buy another application is not a
good answer, IMHO.
This has nothing to do with the 2GB limit, but is more to do with the
fact that one of the accounts was rarely used, but I wanted all the
backlog of messages on my own computer.
Mark
--
Inter-Lingual (Mark Smith)
1-8-22 Saidaiji-kitamachi
Nara, Nara Prefecture 631-0817
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Subject: Re: 2 GB limit
From: "Powermail" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:25:58 +0900
Am 10.11.10 11:31, schrieb Sean McBride:
> Paul Schneider ([email protected]) on 2010-11-05 18:11 said:
>
>> Thank you John, good to know that I'm not the only one. In case CTM
>> keeps ignoring my question about the limit, I'm afraid that I have to
>> drop PM too.
>
> Which email client are you all switching to? I'm not sure which to choose....
I actually only switched to another client because of the IMAP
restrictions in Powermail.
After testing a lot of different clients, I use now Thunderbird 3,
especially as it also works with Linux.
Honestly to say, none of the clients I tested are really close to
Powermails clean and functional user interface ....
cheers
Matthias
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Subject: Re(2): 2 GB limit
From: "Paul Schneider" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:29:22 +0100
Barbara Needham ([email protected]) wrote at Di, 9. Nov 2010, 22:32 Uhr:
>The closest I've found to PowerMail [on the dark side... Windows] is
>Thunderbird.
There are als some clients based on Thunderbird, e.g. Postbox:
<http://www.postbox-inc.com/>
Paul
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Subject: Re(2): 2 GB limit
From: "Paul Schneider" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:29:18 +0100
Sean McBride ([email protected]) wrote at Di, 9. Nov 2010, 22:31 Uhr:
>Which email client are you all switching to?
I'm not sure yet which mailclient to use in the future. At the moment I'm
testing different ones.
Paul
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Subject: Re: Re(2): 2 GB limit
From: "Peter Baral" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:55:05 +0100
Am 10.11.2010 um 11:29 schrieb Paul Schneider:
> Sean McBride ([email protected]) wrote at Di, 9. Nov 2010, 22:31 Uhr:
>> Which email client are you all switching to?
>
> I'm not sure yet which mailclient to use in the future. At the moment I'm
> testing different ones.
>
> Paul
I switched to Apple Mail.app three years ago for my work accounts (POP and
IMAP) and I'm very pleased with its features, performance and integration into
Mac OS X.
Postbox looks promising too. IIRC Mailsmith is no longer actively supported.
Peter
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Subject: Re: 2 GB limit
From: "Jeremy Hughes" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:28:05 +0000
CTM info (9/11/10, 14:54) said:
>Contrary to popular belief, removing the 2GB per database maximum size
>limit is a considerable endeavour indeed
Personally, I don't think that the 2GB limit is the core problem. The
core problem is that Powermail uses a single monolithic database (which
has a 2GB limit).
How about keeping the limit, but replacing the single database format
with multiple databases - one for each mail folder or subfolder, any of
which can be up to 2GB in size?
That would solve the issue for me, and it would also resolve the issue
of backup programs having to backup all my mail on a daily basis
(instead of merely backing up changed folders).
Archiving into separate "user environments" is a poor solution in my
experience.
Jeremy
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Subject: Re(3): 2 GB limit
From: "CTM info" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:18:28 +0100
Mark,
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:01:20 +0000, Mark S. P. Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>for people trying to work
>around the 2GB limit, being asked to buy another application is not a
>good answer, IMHO.
I can agree to this point of view. There is something we can do here: if
a consensus builds that our approach to indexing archived mail in
FoxTrot Personal Search is a technically acceptable, second-best
acceptable option to working around the 2GB max database size (one that
also has advantages, since:
- it lets you index the rest of your life, including attachments and
documents)
- archiving allows you not to have to backup one huge database at every
change, i.e. in TimeCapsule
then we would be ready to make these PowerMail owners a fair , one-time
"offer they can't refuse" on FoxTrot Personal Search. Let me know in
private e-mail.
On the IMAP topic: I agree too. Since the iPhone came along, personally
I've been running PowerMail in parallel with the iPhone mail client
Apple Mail. PowerMail is the client of choice for authoring messages,
replying to received mail, archiving while I use AppleMail as a "second
opinion" view on my e-mail accounts, one which has the advantage of
good, multi-account IMAP and notifications in the dock. The two really
coexist well.
Kind regards,
jean michel
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Subject: Re: 2 GB limit
From: "m. osti" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:24:51 +0100
John Snippe 9-11-2010:
>Currently using mail.app, but don't like it. I may try mailsmith.
no way mate, other than no actively developed MS hasn't IMAP support
neither html too.
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-m
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Subject: Re: Re(2): 2 GB limit
From: "Jefferis Peterson" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 08:40:37 -0500
On 11/10/10 5:29 AM, "Paul Schneider" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sean McBride ([email protected]) wrote at Di, 9. Nov 2010, 22:31 Uhr:
>> Which email client are you all switching to?
>
> I'm not sure yet which mailclient to use in the future. At the moment I'm
> testing different ones.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
For a blog on all my attempts to switch out and testing various email
programs, it is quite extensive:
http://incisivereview.wordpress.com/2010/08/
I think now that I think back on it, Perhaps the 2 gig limit was preventing
me from transferring my files from Entourage to PM and from PM to any other
program. I was losing a lot of data.
I was hoping MS 2011's Outlook might save me, but the early reviews are NOT
good. Adam Engst of Tidibits tried to use it and then bailed out. If I
were starting fresh, I might choose Postbox as the most easy to use and most
intuitive of the programs. But right now I'm back to Entourage full time.
Jeff
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jefferis Peterson, Pres.
Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com
(724)-482-2015
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Subject: Re(2): 2 GB limit
From: "Peter Lovell" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:44:03 -0500
CTM info (9/11/10, 14:54) said:
>Contrary to popular belief, removing the 2GB per database maximum size
>limit is a considerable endeavour indeed
Having done some 32/64-bit file stuff in the past, I know that Jean
Michel is understating the issue here. It's quite a big deal.
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010, Jeremy Hughes <[email protected]> wrote:
>Personally, I don't think that the 2GB limit is the core problem. The
>core problem is that Powermail uses a single monolithic database (which
>has a 2GB limit).
>
>How about keeping the limit, but replacing the single database format
>with multiple databases - one for each mail folder or subfolder, any of
>which can be up to 2GB in size?
>
>That would solve the issue for me, and it would also resolve the issue
>of backup programs having to backup all my mail on a daily basis
>(instead of merely backing up changed folders).
I'm fortunate that my database is comfortably within the 2 GB limit but
the always-backing-up is a problem.
I have commented in the past that a somewhat Rube Goldberg/Heath
Robinson solution is to have your database in a sparse bundle disk
image. The mounted image appears as a regular volume but, under the
covers, it's a collection of 8 MB bands. When your database changes,
only a few of the bands are changed so only those are copied in your
incremental backup process (Time Machine or other similar). This scheme
is, in fact, what FileVault uses -- your entire home directory is an
encrypted sparse bundle disk image.
So I wonder if PowerMail might integrate this approach (only for 10.5
and later, of course.
Does anyone else think this might be an appropriate feature-request?
Regards.....Peter
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Subject: Creator Codes
From: "Tobias Jung" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:04:10 +0100
Hello,
since SnowLeopard, Apple stopped supporting the good old creator codes.
Nonetheless the creator codes of attachments I receive with PowerMail
are still set (even those who are send by Windows users, i.e. files that
never had a creator code), e.g. all HTML files have the creator code "MSIE".
So my question is: Who is responsible for this?
Is it PowerMail or OS X?
And is it possible to change the default creator code for certain file types?
Kind regards,
Tobias Jung
(PowerMail 6.0.5, OS X 10.6.4)
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