STP responds as follows to the questions below.

STP records ED data for each entry to the nearest 0.1 mrem from the EDs.  For 
reporting purposes, the data is summed, then rounded to the nearest mrem.

With respect to bias, EDs are biased +10% based on exposure to Cs-137 with the 
ED on phantom.  Calibration verification is not performed on phantom but with a 
Cs-137 source.

Our objective is to have two independent dosimetry systems, ED and TLD.  TLD is 
used as dose of record unless TLD is lost, etc., in which case ED data is used.

From here down, it's strictly my opinion.  With respect to dose control and 
forcing ED readings to be greater than TLD readings in all cases, the 
conservative nature of most site's dose control program should preclude any 
regulatory problems irrespective of whether EDs are biased or not.

A few of us old gray haired guys remember the days of pocket ionization 
chambers.  We expected PIC results to be higher than TLD (or film) in most 
every case and based dose control on PICs.  We also had higher individual doses 
back then and had to be careful not to exceed regulatory limits.  The expected 
over estimate of dose from PIC data gave us a comfort level that we've found 
hard to give up with the advent of computerized access control, EDs, and 
instant summation of individual doses upon exit.  How conservative do we need 
to be?  Should every individual's ED dose be greater than his TLD (or OSL) 
dose?  I don't think this is necessary since we're usually talking about doses 
below 20% of the regulatory limit.

Regards,
Leonard Earls
Consulting Engineer
361-972-7759

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Barber, Jerry
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 07:57
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: Powernet: Electronic Dosimeter Bias - "Rounding"

In addition to June Scott's excellent follow up questions I would also like to 
ask the following - Do any other facilities round EAD data before bringing it 
over into their Official dose tracking/reporting database?

The version of Passport Total Exposure that we use as our Official dose 
tracking/reporting database currently does not accept decimal data.  Our 
interface software (WACs) has been configured to round EAD dose as follows:

EAD reading             Value Input into Database
0 - 0.4                         0
0.5 - 1.4                               1
1.4 - 2.4                               2
........and so on.................

Question: Does your facility round EAD data in a similar fashion before input 
into your Official dose tracking/reporting system?  

Thanks to all of you who help make Powernet such a valuable Benchmarking tool 
(Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!!)


Jerry Barber
Lead RC Specialist
H.B. Robinson Nuclear Plant
843-857-1496
[email protected] 



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Powernet: Electronic Dosimeter Bias

Is this bias 7% the difference between TLD and EAD collective and
individual dose after a read period?  or is it the correction factor set on
the calibrator compared to Cs-137 source?

Do you irradiate on a phantom? or a box calibrator? or with a MG robot
calibrator setup?  How is your transfer cal performed?

We have a over all bias factor after TLD reads of 7 to 8% with the EAD
being high.  To reach this we need to set the Cs-137 robot calibrator to
1.18 correction factor.  This has been cross checked on a NVLAP phantom in
open air geometry.

I'd like to ensure we are comparing the same criteria.

June L. Scott
[email protected]
Phone: 419-321-8555
Cell:      419-367-6651
Davis Besse Nuclear Power Station
5501 N State Route 2
Oak Harbor, Oh 43449



                                                                           
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Responses from San Onofre.  We also use DMC-2000S electronic dosimeters.
Regards, Eric

1. and 2.   EDs are biased up 7% to more closely match TLD data.  Not
really over-responding.  Really a correction for slight ED geometry and
energy under-response compared to TLDs.
3.  Not yet.  We've had these EDs in service for about 5 years and only
just recently implemented zinc injection.  Will be completing another
TLD/ED study after the current steam generator replacement outage.


Eric M. Goldin, CHP
Southern California Edison
<[email protected]>



From:        "Courtenay, Christopher C"
<[email protected]>
To:        "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date:        12/14/2010 11:48 AM
Subject:        Powernet: Electronic Dosimeter Bias
Sent by:        [email protected]



Duke Energy would like to know the following:

1.       Do you bias your EDs to over-respond in the field?
2.       What bias do you apply if you do? (5%, 10%, etc)
3.       Have you noticed a change in ED response due to changing plant
conditions (Co58/Co60 ratio changes due to Zinc injection, etc) or specific
jobs (weld overlay, alloy 600, etc)?

Point of reference – Duke uses the DMC2000S from Mirion.

Chris Courtenay
Engineer, Duke Energy
980-875-5005
"To the optimist, the glass is half full.  To the pessimist, the glass is
half empty.  To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be."



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