I think the base setting is to subtract 2.75 beta/alpha.  I've heard Eberline 
say you might get a false alarm early on if since you're not subtracting out 
beta from Rn.  I've never had a CAM false alarm early because of low counts 
variance since some amount of data is needed to ensure you meet the fast and 
slow alarm MDC valued.

At our power plants, I seem to recall we're typically set for ~186 dpm/ft^3 for 
Co-60 0.3 DAC for slow alarm at 1860 dpm/ft^3 for fast alarm.  Co-60 is going 
to be conservative for essentially every mix in the plant.  We have had some 
cases where we calculated an effective DAC and put that in the monitor to 
manage the conservatism of the monitor.  In general, we always find the alarm 
of the AMS-4 to be conservative to the gamma spec of the real air sample.

I leave the value as-is since the default value doesn't seem to help or hurt 
the monitor.

The big thing to focus on is the gamma subtract factor and keeping it accurate. 
 This is number one adverse condition we can cause for monitor response.  If 
the automated source check routine shows a change in bias, something in the 
surrounding environment has changed and you need to reset the ratio.


Glen Vickers, CHP
Exelon Corp RP Technical Lead
815-216-2723 (work/cell)


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We have not looked at the Alpha subtract function of the AMS-4

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Hi All

Does anyone use the "Alpha Subtract" function of the AMS-4 to get an alpha cpm 
rate ?

The detectors are sealed gas proportional and there is a separate beta and 
alpha channel in the AMS-4s.  It is not straight forward to access the alpha 
channel and the count rate is only kept inside the AMS-4 memory for a few hours.

But the alpha cpm value might have some use in assessing the potential for 
airborne alpha contamination NOT DUE TO RADON/THORON.

A simple ratio of alpha cpm to beta cpm might be of use also.

Here at LANL we did NOT use that alpha cpm information and only extracted it 
from operating AMS-4s a few times.

Tom

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Brad,

Browns Ferry uses GEDDS as well as the AMS-4.  You can contact me for more 
information.


Chuck Creamer
Health Physicist
Radiation Protection

Tennessee Valley Authority; Browns Ferry Nuclear Plant
P.O. Box 2000 (Mail Stop NAB-1G-BFN)
Decatur, Al. 35609-2000

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Fermi is in the process of upgrading our remote monitoring software to GEDDS.  
Would like feedback and contact information from peers who have integrated 
remote monitoring of their Eberline AMS-4's.  Thanks in advance for your 
assistance.

Brad Krupp

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