Hi Robin,

I didn't know that. Sounds good. I'll contact Jean-Michel and the other editors and see what we can do.

Robin, I still owe you a photo of the Hungry Hare!


On 25 May 2010, at 21:54, Robin Jeffries wrote:

If the book is really out of print, maybe someone (e.g., the editor or the collected authors) could convince the copyright owner (Academic Press) to allow this to be a full content visible book in google books. It's there -- it's been scanned and OCRed. http://books.google.com/books?id=57wgAQAAIAAJ -- but you can only view small fragments of content.

Why have someone go to all that extra effort of scanning it a second time? (the answer might be that it's way to much work to convince Academic Press, but if you can convince them, I can find the info about how they, with a few clicks, make it available on line.)


On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Thomas Green <green...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi Charles,

That would be fantastic. If your student can really face doing that, she or he would earn much gratitude. Maybe PPIG or VLHCC would give him/her a reduced registration fee at the next meeting as a reward...... (Don't make any promises, that's not in my gift, but I could encourage the committee to smile on the idea.)

Alan: what's the legal position?

I'll email Jean-Michel and Paul Brna to get agreements from them. Who else do we need agreement from?

Well done Charles!


On 25 May 2010, at 19:30, Charles Knutson wrote:

Thomas et al,
I managed to secure a hard copy of the ancient book in question. If no laws would be broken, I can have one of my students scan the whole thing into a PDF (or chapters, depending on preference) and put it into some publicly accessible location.

I'm on the road right now so lag time is a couple weeks.

Let me know if there's a good reason why I shouldn't do this. :)

Charles D. Knutson, PhD
Associate Professor, Computer Science Dept.
Brigham Young University

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On May 25, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Thomas Green <green...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Dear Lurkers,

I have undertaken to put my chapters online. Can anyone give advice on how to go about it? Do I just scan them into pdf files, or are there subtleties I should be aware of?


On 25 May 2010, at 15:51, Clendon Gibson wrote:

I want to add my voice to the interested masses. I would guess that there are others on the list who are interested, but are in lurker mode.

Thank You!

From: Thomas Green <green...@ntlworld.com>
To: Chris Bogart <bog...@eecs.oregonstate.edu>
Cc: Alan Blackwell <alan.blackw...@cl.cam.ac.uk>; ppig-discuss-list@open.ac.uk
Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 3:14:14 AM
Subject: Re: Electronic contents/chapters of the Psych of Prog book?

I'll try to get my parts of the Psych of Prog book online asap. Delighted that it's still of interest. I'll enquire whether Jean_michel Hoc can do the same.

Thomas Green
On 21 May 2010, at 19:20, Chris Bogart wrote:

> My university library doesn't have it, but the catalog does list the
> table of contents with author names. I guess it's the book you're
> talking about, although the catalog only lists Hoc as the editor.
> Psychology of programming
> Author: Jean-Michel Hoc; European Association of Cognitive Ergonomics.; et al
> Publisher: London : Academic, ©1990.
> Theoretical and methodological issues. Programming, programming
> languages and programming methods / C. Pair --
> The nature of programming / T.R.G. Green --
> The tasks of programming / Nancy Pennington and Beatrice Grabowski --
> Human cognition and programming / Tom Ormerod --
> Methodological issues in the study of programming / David J. Gilmore -- > Language design and acquisition of programming. Expert programmers and
> programming languages / Marian Petre --
> Programming languages as information structures / T.R.G. Green --
> Language semantics, mental models and analogy / Jean-Michel Hoc and
> Anh Nguyen-Xuan --
> Acquisition of programming knowledge and skills / Janine Rogalski and
> Renan Samurçay --
> Programming languages in education : the search for an easy start /
> Patrick Mendelsohn, T.R.G. Green and Paul Brna --
> Expert programming skills and job aids. Expert programming knowledge :
> a schema-based approach / Françoise Détienne --
> Expert programming knowledge : a strategic approach / David J. Gilmore. > Expert software design strategies / Willemien Visser and Jean- Michel Hoc -- > Broader issues. The psychology of programming in the large : team and
> organizational behavior / Bill Curtis and Diane Walz --
> Research and practice : software design methods and tools / Barbara
> Kitchenham and Roland Carn.
> Chris Bogart
> bog...@eecs.oregonstate.edu
> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Alan Blackwell
> <alan.blackw...@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>> I would like to collect a full set of the chapters from the
>> Hoc, Green, Samurcay & Gilmore book 'Psychology of Programming'.
>> I have a vague memory that this might have been proposed on the
>> PPIG list before (perhaps even by me?), but can't find any result
>> among the PPIG site resources.
>> The reason for this request is that I will be teaching a
>> Masters-level course on usability of programming languages in the
>> coming year, for which I think this is the best possible
>> textbook. The original book has been out of press for many
>> years, so it would be very difficult for my students to gain
>> access to it other than via electronic copies.
>> 30 minutes with Google has determined that Francoise Detienne has
>> placed her chapter online (thanks Francoise!), but I couldn't
>> find any others.
>> http://arxiv.org/ftp/cs/papers/0702/0702003.pdf
>> In absence of actual text, I would be very grateful for:
>>  - contact with authors of the original chapters; or
>>  - current email addresses of the authors; or even
>>  - file containing the table of contents with author names.
>> Cheers,
>> Alan
>> --
>> Alan Blackwell
>> Reader in Interdisciplinary Design, University of Cambridge
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