Secercah menung-pikir yang cespleng. Kalau masih penasaran, gabung dengan "communicationalism". Silakan. Salam
--- "Mary Jo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Wittgenstein's highly touted observations about the nature of language may have seemed revolutionary to students of philosophy, but you can be sure that it was no news to W. B. Yeats, and Dylan Thomas probably had no idea who Wittgenstein was. As far as I'm concerned he contributed nothing new, my only surprise is that he suspected a few things I know. During the sixties improvisational groups like the Committee experimented with his philosophical ideas regularly in a public forum. Marshall McLuhan was well aware of his ideas when he wrote The Medium Is The Message. If anything, all Wittgenstein did along with Hayakawa and McLuhan was define for Madison Avenue and the entertainment industry how to use the power of language for a specific sociological purpose. He lived in time when it was chic to be anti-Hegelian and figured out a few things by accident. What he figured out has always been known, but now we have unparalleled mass media. Eventually though, after what can be described as basically a brain fart, he came up with a pretty good idea of what philosophy is about - The task of philosophy is conceptual clarification and the dissolution of philosophical problems. The goal of philosophy is not knowledge but understanding.- Mary Jo is right to demand understanding like an intellectual pit bull, and to demand it of philosophy. As far as Wittgenstein's ideas about language, modern people with common sense always have the Helen Keller factor. Human beings are born here with a language oriented intellect, period. It is their tool of understanding. Deal with it." "Nancy Cartwright, who is our contemporary, very early on expressed a flexible philosophical framework to deal with modern physics. The idea that instruments of explanation and prediction need not be true though results may be real allows philosophy to grow with observational science and mathematics. If the goal of philosophy is understanding, and understanding for humans must be in language, then science is not about discovery but rather recollection. In scientific endeavor we are recollecting what we are in order to understand in language what we have yet to understand of ourselves. Why? Because with language we can prove it to ourselves and to someone else over and over. Mary Jo is right to expect results of science. When the recollection of science meets the understanding of philosophy her questions will be answered. As will many others. This convergence of intellectual endeavor will fulfill the proposition of language." "I have to throw in with Emerson again and say though I can't prove anyone else is real it's probably a good idea to treat them as if they are. To me metaphysics is just an expression of the urgency of language and the failure of philosophy. It is like a wet dream. It just happens and is pleasant to remember in some ways. Along with Cartwright I do not support the presence of metaphysical ideas in philosophy. Theory belongs in science, where it actually came from. We need to understand that science and metaphysics are essentially different forms of the same thing - self-recollection. Language is beyond them in a model of human expression, not vice versa. A little more Jung for you. Though it is confusing, in our modern world, the roles of philosophy and science are finally reversing to their proper places. This in itself is indicative of a change in us all. Bitch on Mary Jo." Trinidad Cruz --- End forwarded message --- ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/BRUplB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> *************************************************************************** Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat Persahabatan. Menuju Indonesia yg Lebih Baik, in Commonality & Shared Destiny. www.arsip.da.ru *************************************************************************** __________________________________________________________________________ Mohon Perhatian: 1. Harap tdk. memposting/reply yg menyinggung SARA (kecuali sbg otokritik) 2. Pesan yg akan direply harap dihapus, kecuali yg akan dikomentari. 3. Lihat arsip sebelumnya, www.ppi-india.da.ru; 4. Posting: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. Satu email perhari: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. No-email/web only: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7. kembali menerima email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ppiindia/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
