pada membicarakan sorga, apa udah pada yakin bakal ke sorga....hehehhe On Thu, 30 Sep 2004, dicky riyadi wrote:
> njarno tho Pak... wong seneng-seneng aja lho...kan demokrasi.. > > Danardono HADINOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Kok gak capek eyel2an aqidah to? > > > RG Nur Rahmat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Lesbians in Paradise? Will a believing single woman have a male or female spouse in > Paradise? > > This is the section where the Christian "Answering Islam" team is clearly wrong in. > They claim that since Allah Almighty called both men and women "righteous" in the > Noble Verses above, and promised them to be joined together as "companions" as shown > Noble Verses below, and didn't specify that men will be joined with women only, then > He the Almighty meant that He will mix both genders together and allow them to have > sexual relationships together as Gays and Lesbians. This conclusion from that bogus > team is plain dumb! No woman will be a Lesbian, and no man will be a Gay in > Paradise. Let us look at the following Noble Verses that the Christian "Answering > Islam" team had used: > > "Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them. Youths (handsome) as Pearls > well-guarded. (The Noble Quran, 52:24)" "...Youths (handsome)..." is written in > Arabic as "gilma-nun llahum". Gilma-nun literally means young males. This Noble > Verse is talking about young male servants whom Allah Almighty Created for the > service of the Believers in Paradise. > > "Round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness), (The Noble Quran, > 56:17)" "...youths of..." is written in Arabic this time as "wil-daa-nun", which > literally means young boys. This Noble Verse is again talking about young male > servants whom Allah Almighty Created for the service of the Believers in Paradise. > > "And round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness): If thou seest > them, thou wouldst think them scattered Pearls. (The Noble Quran, 76:19)" "youths > of..." uses the same exact word in Noble Verse 56:17. > > "And for such as had entertained the fear of standing before their Lord's (tribunal) > and had restrained (their) soul from lower desires, Their abode will be the Garden. > (The Noble Quran, 79:40-41)" "...Their abode will be the Garden." is written in > Arabic as "fa-inna al-jannata hiya al-ma'wa". This is a correct translation. > However, it doesn't show anywhere of same genders having sex with each others. > > "They will recline (with ease) on Thrones (of dignity) arranged in ranks; and We > shall join them to Companions, with beautiful big and lustrous eyes. (The Noble > Quran, 52:20)" "We shall join them to Companions..." is written in Arabic as > "wa-zawwaj-naahum bi-hoori-aayn". The English translation is not quite accurate > for this Noble Verse. The Arabic word "wa-zawwaj-naahum" means to have them marry > or get married. "join them to Companions" is not really accurate, because it > doesn't necessarily mean that they would get married if they were "Companions". > > Very Important Note: It is very important to know that the Arabic Noble Quran is > referring to marriage in this Noble Verse, because marriage in Islam is NOT FOR THE > SAME GENDERS. Males can not marry males in Islam. The same applies for females. > So when Allah Almighty used the word "Wa-Zawwaj-naahum", which is derived from the > Arabic word "zawaaj (marriage)", He the Almighty clearly meant to enjoin males and > females into marriage, and not to mix the males and females together and have them > pick and choose their sexual mates, even if they were the same gender. Let us look > at Noble Verse 44:54 "Moreover, We shall Join them to Companions With beautiful, > big, And lustrous eyes." The same word for "...join them to Companions..." is used > in Noble Verse 52:20. > > As for those whom the believers would marry, "...With beautiful, big, And lustrous > eyes...", it is written in Arabic as "bi hoori-aayn". This same word was used for > Jesus' (peace be upon him) disciples (al-hawariyyun as plural......hur or huri or > houri as singular), which both (al-hawariyyun) and (hoori-aayn) are both derived > from the Arabic word "hoor" or "howr", or "hur". > > The following comment regarding Noble Verses 52:20 and 44:54 was taken from the foot > notes of the Noble Quran that was translated by Minister (Sheikh) Abdullah Yusuf > Ali; may Allah Almighty rest his soul and make Paradise his ultimate destiny: "Hur > implies the following ideas: (1) purity; possibly the word Hawariyun, as applied to > the first Disciples of Jesus, is connected with this root; (2) beauty, especially of > eyes, where the intense white of the eyeballs stands out against the intense black > of the pupil, thus giving the appearance of lustre, and intense feeling: as opposed > to dullness or want of expression; and (3) truth and good will." > > The word "hur" which Jesus' male disciples and the companions of believers in > Paradise were given names that were derived from it quite clearly is referring to > both males and females. This means that the winners of Paradise will have their > suitable gender of "hoori-aayn" depending on their gender. > > So when Allah Almighty promised companions to the believers in Paradise, He quite > clearly and obviously promised female companions for the males and male companions > for the females. > > Important Note: In Arabic, plurals and pronouns are derived from root words. In the > case of "Quran" for instance as in "Noble Quran", it is derived from the root word > "Iqra" which means read. "Qara" means "past of read", "Quran" means "The read". It > could also mean "The Revealed" since the word "Qara" could also mean "Read to > him/her" as in "Qara alaihi or Qara lahu", which means "Read to him". > > Another example to take is "Kitab" which means "Book". It is derived from the root > word "yaktub" which means "write". "kitaba" means "writing". "kataba" means > "wrote". So "kitab" means the "The written". > > In the case of the word "hawariyyun", which is the word Allah Almighty called Jesus' > disciples peace be upon them, it is derived from the root word "hur". So in the > case of Jesus' disciples peace be upon them, Allah Almighty respected them by > calling them "hawariyyun", which is plural of "huri", which is derived from the root > word "hur" which means a very beautiful human-creation of Allah Almighty. So the > word "hur" or "huri" in the Noble Quran and Arabic can refer to either a male or > female and NOT JUST FEMALES ALONE, thus making the hoori-aayn or huri-aayn of > Paradise be either males huri-aayn or females huri-aayn, because "huri-aayn" is > derived from the root word "hur". > > Another Important Note: In the section below, you will see proof that a woman can > only have one husband. A woman can't have multiple husbands. Only the man can have > multiple wives. > > In Paradise everyone (men and women) will live happily: > > Let us look at the following Noble Verses from the Noble Quran: > > "Verily the Companions of the Garden shall that Day have joy in all that they do; > (The Noble Quran, 36:55)" > > "(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are > rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; > rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it > there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in > such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, > to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)? (The Noble > Quran, 47:15)" > > "As to those who believe and work righteous deeds, they have, for their > entertainment, the Gardens of Paradise, (The Noble Quran, 18:107)" > > "And those who feared their Lord will be led to the Garden in crowds: until behold, > they arrive there; its gates will be opened; and its keepers will say: 'Peace be > upon you! well have ye done! enter ye here, to dwell therein.' (The Noble Quran, > 39:73)" > > "They will say: 'Praise be to God, Who has truly fulfilled His Promise to us, and > has given us (this) land in heritage: We can dwell in the Garden as we will: how > excellent a reward for those who work (righteousness)!' (The Noble Quran, 39:74)" > > "But those who have faith and work righteousness, they are companions of the Garden: > Therein shall they abide (For ever). (The Noble Quran, 2:82)" > > "Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden whose width > is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous, > (The Noble Quran, 3:133)" > > "Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you > be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to > the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of this world is > but goods and chattels of deception. (The Noble Quran, 3:185)" > > There are many more Noble Verses that elaborate on the Great Reward and Joy that the > Believers (men and women) will have in Heaven, but I think the above Noble Verses > are good enough to prove my point. > > > > How come women in Islam can't have multiple husbands if they are equal to men? > > This is one of the things that I personally can't speak on behalf of GOD Almighty. > I can't ALWAYS tell you why or why not He chose to do certain things. But > throughout His Noble Revelations that started from the time of Adam all the way to > Muhammad peace be upon them, polygany or polygamy (man having multiple women) is > allowed (although it is highly discouraged to a point where it is almost prohibited > in Islam to most men), where polyandry (woman having multiple husbands) had always > been forbidden! > > Note: The word "polygamy" in the past used to mean men and women marrying multiple > husbands and wives, meaning that the man would have multiple wives and each of his > wives would have multiple husbands. But today, the word had been modified to mean > "man having multiple wives" only. At least, this is what I meant it to mean in this > article. > > As far as women being equal to men in Islam, well, please visit Women in Islam V.S. > Christianity to see the many proofs that women are indeed equal to men in Islam and > hold a very dear, respectful and honorable place in Islam, and how women on the > other hand are nothing but "sex objects" who have no value in Christianity. Islam > came to liberate and free women and put them on the highest ranks of honor. I > provided quotes and proofs from both the Noble Quran, and the Bible's Old and New > Testaments. > > > > Further additions and explanations from Muslims: > > The following addition was sent to me by brother Rizan Bin Noordin; may Allah > Almighty always be pleased with him. > > Regarding the above-said article, I believe the answering-Islam team are mixing > their views of Heaven with what they find here on Earth. In the Qur'an it is said: > > "And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction." - surah > adh-Dhariyat 51:49. > > and > > "And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, > that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between > your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect." - surah ar-Room > 30:21. > > Thus it is clear that for men there are women and vic versa. The ideas of gayism or > lesbianism are not from the commands of Allah, but from the whisperings of syaitaan. > > "And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "Ye do commit lewdness, such as > no people in Creation (ever) committed before you. Do ye indeed approach men, and > cut off the highway?- and practise wickedness (even) in your councils?" But his > people gave no answer but this: they said: "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou > tellest the truth. He said: "O my Lord! help Thou me against people who do > mischief!" When Our Messengers came to Abraham with the good news, they said: "We > are indeed going to destroy the people of this township: for truly they are > (addicted to) crime."" - surah al-Ankabut 29:28-31. > > "Those of you who turned back on the day the two hosts Met,-it was Satan who caused > them to fail, because of some (evil) they had done. But Allah Has blotted out (their > fault): For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Forbearing." - surah al-Imran 3:155. > > "From the mischief of the Whisperer (of Evil), who withdraws (after his whisper),- > (The same) who whispers into the hearts of Mankind,-" - surah an-Nas 114:4-5. > > There cannot be any whisperings or evil in heaven. Thus the essential force that > pushes men and women towards the revolting acts are removed. The Earthbound idea of > having relations with servants, or with people of the same sex are no longer in the > equation of human tendencies. Our minds will be free of such thought, thus the > answering-Islam team's allegations that there will be the base desires in Heaven is > absurd. It is clearly revealed in surah al-Jinn. > > "'And we[the jinn] pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with > stern guards and flaming fire." - surah al-Jinn 72:8. > > So I believe the initial argument from the answering-Islam team is already wrong. > They are arguing semantics while throwing out the essential message of the whole > Qur'an. > > "O Messenger! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether > it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no > faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even > to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their > (right) times and places: they say, "If ye are given this, take it, but if not, > beware!" If any one's trial is intended by Allah, thou hast no authority in the > least for him against Allah. For such - it is not Allah's will to purify their > hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy > punishment." - surah al-Maaidah 5:41. > > That is all from me brother Osama. I hope however little my efforts, I have helped > in your cause. Please carry on your noble efforts in the spirit of Islam. I hope > Allah protect us from speaking untruth and shelter us from the lies of those with an > agenda against His teachings, InsyaAllah. > > Allah Ma'ak. > http://www.answering-islam.com/islamic_paradise.htm > > dicky riyadi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Pak RM Danardono...., kita buktikan kalo kita > mati, Pak...bidadari itu cuman perumpamaan, karena akal manusia tidak nyampe > membayangkan sorga seperti apa..., > > wong kalo tidur saja kita tidak bisa tahu, dimana sebenarnya kita hayoooo? > > neraka itu kekal bagi yg betul2 kafir, blas tidak percaya adanya Tuhan... > > kalo masih percaya, ya ada discount lah... > > yg suka nyekar itu kan cuman wong jowo..., kalo eropa kan ngasih bunga hidup, lalu > ditanam dipusaranya biar sedep dipandang mata.. > > boleh saja Pak Danardono nyekar viagra,.... tidak ada larangan kok? > betul, kan...coba lihat di Injil, tidak ada larangan begitu, juga di kitab lainnya.. > > > > rm_danardono wrote: > Amien mas Sigit. > > Kalau surga itu seperti gambaran akal manusia, yang syuuur sekali > banyak bidadarinya cantik2 (lho lalu wanita yang saleh dan meninggal > ditunggu siapa? Tom Cruise?), maka kalau nyekar ke makam, kita > sedekahkan viagra...bukan bunga > > > Salam > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > *************************************************************************** > Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat Persahabatan. Menuju Indonesia yg Lebih > Baik, in Commonality & Shared Destiny. www.ppiindia.shyper.com > *************************************************************************** > __________________________________________________________________________ > Mohon Perhatian: > > 1. Harap tdk. memposting/reply yg menyinggung SARA (kecuali sbg otokritik) > 2. Pesan yg akan direply harap dihapus, kecuali yg akan dikomentari. > 3. Lihat arsip sebelumnya, www.ppi-india.da.ru; > 4. Posting: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 5. Satu email perhari: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 6. 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