"...Kalau benar menuju sistem negara teokratik yang relijius, alhamdulillah...:) Semoga Indonesia jadi lebih bersih, dan toleransi antar ummat beragama jadi semakin baik...."
RMDH: Inilah kesalahfahaman terbesar, bahwa agama dapat mengubah watak manusia. Ini tak pernah terjadi dalam sejarah kemanusiaan, sejak ribuan tahun yang silam sampai kini. Bangsa kita sudah selalu religious, ya yang Budha, yang Kristen, yang Islam. Semua. Tanpa perintah negara, mereka menjalankan ajaran masing2 dengan saleh. Tetapi, bagaimana watak bangsa kita? Bangsa korup terbnesar didunia, tidak disiplin, gemar benturan gara2 pepesan kosong. Koruptor2 kita, lihat saja, apakah mereka tak beribadah? yang satu rajin kegereja, yang lain rajin kemesjid, banyak yang naik haji ber-kali2, dll dll. System atau ajaran tetap menjadi system atau ajaran, kalau tidak dihayati manuzsianya. Nah, manusia inilah yang tak mampu menghayati ajaran2, hanyalah menjalankan kulitnya, ibadah tiap Jumat atau Minggui, puasa, dan sebagainya. Tetapi watak? Hmm kita tahu sendiri lahh.. salam RMDH A Nizami <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kalau benar menuju sistem negara teokratik yang relijius, alhamdulillah...:) Semoga Indonesia jadi lebih bersih, dan toleransi antar ummat beragama jadi semakin baik. Tapi menurut saya, tokoh agama Islam berperan melobby negara2 Timur Tengah seperti Libya dan Mesir, karena memang antara Indonesia dan negara2 Timteng tsb cuma hanya ada 1 kesamaan, yaitu: mayoritas Muslim. Kalau ke AS, Eropa, Australia, Singapura, dll, tentu tokoh lain yang dipakai untuk melobby. Salam --- Ambon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ketua Muhamadiah menegosiasi pembelian pesawat > terbang, delegasi presiden > ke Mesir juga membawa tokoh agama etc, mungkin > memberikan isyarat bahwa > Indonesia menuju ke sistem negara teokratik. > Mudah-mudahan observasi ini > keliru. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dharmawan Ronodipuro" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 7:10 AM > Subject: RE: [ppiindia] Indonesia to buy 8 warplanes > from Libya > > > > > > Pertanyaan saya adalah kenapa Syafi'i Ma'arif, > ketua Muhammaddiyah, > > terlibat > > dalam negosiasi pembelian pesawat tersebut. > Bukankah ini urusan pertahanan > > dan bukan agama? > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: dicky riyadi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 17 November 2004 14:30 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [ppiindia] Indonesia to buy 8 > warplanes from Libya > > > > > > > > > > Kok pada benci Libya ya.... > > > > Danardono HADINOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ...dan hanya dipakai untuk menghadang musuh > negara..musuh dari luar.. > > > > RMD Hadinoto > > > > > > > > Ambon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Refleksi : Katanya kunjungan anak Quadafi ke > Indonesia membagi-bagi zakat > > sembako sesuai tradisi hari raya agama kepada > ummat miskin melarat. > > Tau-tau > > ada juga bisnis yang dibuat. > > > > Mudah-mudahan saja pesawat-pesawat terbang ini > bukan pesawat buatan IPTN. > > > > +++ > > > > > http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-11/13/content_2213363.htm > > > > > > Indonesia to buy 8 warplanes from Libya > > > > JAKARTA, Nov. 13 (Xinhuanet) -- Indonesia plans to > buy eight warplanes > > from > > Libya, the chairman of Indonesia's second biggest > Muslim organization > > Muhammaddiyah said. > > Chairman Syafi'i Ma'arif, who had involved in > the negotiations of the > > plan, made the statement after meeting with Libyan > President Muammar > > al-Qathafi's son named Syaiful Islam at Yogyakarta > province on Friday. > > He said that the warplanes would be used by the > Indonesian air force in > > defending the country. > > Ma'arif said that the planes were still in good > condition. > > "These are good planes and the Indonesian > government can optimize > > them," > > > > he was quoted as saying by the Indonesian daily > Kompas on Saturday. > > Enditem > > > > > > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat > Persahabatan. 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