Baca sekali lagi pertanyaan saya. Saya tidak mencapurkan Nabi Muhammad atau Kakek maupun neneK.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sirikit Syah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [ppiindia] Kritik buat charles moore... > > Konteks waktu dan tempat, please .... > you cannot judge what happened in the past with > today's rules and norms. > > The answer for today is: yes, you might be considered > a phedophile if you married a 9 years old girl (may be > not, because if the girl is mature, has got her > period, and willing to marry, it is not an act of > phedophile). > > Apakah Mohammad seorang peleceh anak atau perempuan? > Semua buku yang saya baca (buku sejarah, bukan buku > agama) menyatakan TIDAK. Aisyah got married willingly > and happily. > > Salam, > sirikit > --- Ambon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Terlepas dari masalah Nabi Muhammad atau kakek, >> bagaimana pendapat Anda, >> bila adik atau anak Anda yang berumur 9 tahun >> dikawinkan? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "RG Nur Rahmat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 1:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [ppiindia] Kritik buat charles moore... >> >> >> >> >> Apa yg tidak menghina? Ini kan ttg Charles Moore >> yang bilang Nabi Muhammad >> adalah paedophile? Saya kasih bukti disini bahwa di >> US saja hanya 100 tahun >> yang lalu batas umur siap kawin adalah 10 tahun, apa >> ada yang bilang ketika >> itu mereka yang kawin begitu adalah paedophiles? >> Lalu di negara-negara dunia >> ketiga, menurut kajian dibawah yaitu sekitar tahun >> 1960-an dan mungkin >> berlanjut hingga sekarang, gadis-gadis bisa sudah >> dikawinkan ketika umurnya >> mencapai 9 tahun, bahkan di agama Yahudi saja ada >> hukumnya yang mengatakan >> gadis-gadis sudah bisa siap dikawinkan pada umur 11 >> tahun. >> >> Nah, kalau menggunakan standard sekarang tentu saja >> tidak bisa. Masa, >> masyarakat yang jangka hidupnya pendek (seperti >> kakek nenek kita yang tidak >> semakmur kita sekarang) mesti menunggu sampai si >> gadis 24 tahun? Mesti >> menunggu si gadis dapat kerja dan karir? Saya saja >> masih mendengar di >> masyarakat kita setelah SMP langsung kawin. >> >> Jadi, Charles Moore mengatakan demikian itu hanya >> utk menghina dan suka-suka >> saja, sebab tidak dilakukan kajian ttg apa yg >> dikatakannya. >> >> Saya tanya berapa umur kakek nenek anda ketika >> dikawinkan dulu? Apakah kakek >> anda paedophile, atau menurut definisi hukum >> sekarang, seorang pemerkosa? >> Apa kakek anda dikeroyok dan dikucilkan masyarakat >> ketika kawin dgn nenek >> anda? >> >> Carla Annamarie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> >> *********************** >> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename >> >> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. >> ***********-*********** >> >> >> >> Dear Pak RG, >> >> you have pointed out the facts..that arrangement of >> marriage between an >> older or elder men and an under age child is exist. >> it occured mostly in >> arabs country, india, and africa (until now)..thanks >> for that valuable >> information, anyway..now days if an older or elder >> men married an under age >> child (in this case 9 years old child)..is against >> the law..(constitution), >> perhaps the countries u had mentioned earlier had >> applied an ''adat >> law''.., even in our country is forbidden..(based on >> civil act), bcs >> morally is not right.., how do you feel if your >> child an 9 years old child >> marry to.. lets say 25 years old men? >> is it morally legal.? is it civilised..? and is it >> Right?..i think deep >> inside you know the answer.. >> btw..it's not abt insulting someone or religion.. >> >> RGrds, >> Carla >> >> >> >> >> >> RG Nur Rahmat >> o.com> cc: >> Subject: Re: [ppiindia] Kritik buat charles moore... >> 12/21/2004 06:31 >> AM >> Please respond to >> ppiindia >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *********************** >> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename >> >> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. >> ***********-*********** >> >> >> >> >> >> Let's discuss the age of Aisha being 9 when she >> married our Prophet in >> Islam! >> >> First of all, it is important to know: >> >> Aisha's parents were the ones who married her to our >> Prophet, and that no >> Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage >> because it was widely >> practiced. And even until today in 3rd world >> countries (Muslims and >> non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do >> get married. Anyway, the >> reason no one objected was to the Prophet's marriage >> was: >> >> People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. >> They used to live >> between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only >> normal and natural for >> girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar. >> >> >> Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among >> Arabs back then, and >> even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim >> countries >> >> today, the Jewish law for marriage sets the age of >> consent for females at >> 11. (Consent is only one way of marriage) I do not >> know if modern Jewish >> law still allows (in theory) betrothal by >> intercourse as it was practiced >> in ancient times. >> >> Thirty years ago, the renowned sexologist R.E.L. >> Masters and Allan Edwardes >> said in their study of Afro-Asian sexual expression >> (_The Cradle of >> Erotica_, Julian Press, New York:1962) said, "Today, >> in many parts of North >> Africa, Arabia, and India, girls are wedded and >> bedded between the ages of >> five and nine; and no self-respecting female remains >> unmarried beyond the >> age of puberty." >> >> >> **** Also, the age consent in the US and Europe only >> 100 years ago for >> girls' marriage was as little as 10, and some >> popular men figures married >> little girls who were as young as their daughters. >> >> >> >> Nah, sekarang logiknya dimana kalau hanya bisa >> menghina? >> >> >> >> Carla Annamarie wrote: >> >> >> *********************** >> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename >> >> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. >> ***********-*********** >> >> >> >> logically speaking, the point of view of Charles >> moore couldn't be blamed >> bcs in fact now days if a a men have a sexual >> contact or married an under >> age child (esp a 9 years old girl) is considered >> paedofillia, bcs there's >> > === message truncated === > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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