Dear Mba Lina,
i admired your determination..anyway u didnt answer my question, what's the
purpose of your religion comparison..? to find the Truth or your kinda
truth..:))..i've been reading your debate with arriko n your conversation
with mbah Danar.., first of all i dont want to interfere with it bcs i
think it would be the never ending debate..and it's pointless..however i
could definitely provide u with most of the answers..but the point is do u
really looking for the truth..? what if in the end u finally found that
other religions re better..would u feel happy or dissapointed..Mba?it's
very easy..mba..to find flaws..even we could made them real..we could think
whatever we want, we could browse to the internet or reading books to find
the data we want to find.., but still at last we asked our self..is it the
truth..?
Mba Lina..i was the Atheist u mentioned in ur previous email..before i
became Christian.., so i really know it's very difficult to find the
truth.., those were years of desperation.., i was in that position..i know
what i felt..
anyway,..if we want to study religion, first of all we have to seek the
substance or the main message of that religion.., what's the point of the
religion if it dont have a basic substance message, right?
the message of Christianity re Love n Forgiveness.., Jesus said' Love ur
enemies, bless those who curse and persecute u'..
i know some christian ppl became atheist, bcs of that lack of knowledge and
more over bcs it easy to hard to become a Christian bit it's harder to live
as Christian..
thru out history..Christian ppl re the victim of persecution, humiliation,
they had been killed, slaughtered bcs they re christian.., in Rome there're
many catacombe (the grave yard of many millions christian).., the reason of
those killings bcs they lived the godly lived that ppl envy them.., how
they re so convince and really trust their faith..
even in the times of persecution n killings..they pray for those who
persecute them..bless their soul.., many martyrs died, they died bcs their
love to God n love for the people who hates n killed them.. , is not
logic, isn't it..mbaLina..? but it's christian message to the world..Love
is a powerful thing..Mba..
i think God gave us logic is a precious gift..to deal with our self n daily
life..however if logic is put above faith..i think it's an arrogance act..,
btw evil/devil could use our logic to fooled us by using our biggest
lackness of human being '' Self-righteous''..beware and be wise to use our
logic..who knows we'll be fall into devil's traps..:))..
many ppl claimed to be christian..but only few re really true christian..so
abt the agnostic thing..they re not christian..do you know what the meaning
of christian..''Christ disciples''..how can they claimed as christian if
they rejected the Bible..., come on..:))..
anyway, look at the esscence..mba..hope u will reach the ultimate goal of
ur quest.., hope is not only carnal knowledge u'll find but more over the
truth..bcs the Truth will set you free...
Rgrds,
Carla
"Lina Dahlan"
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> Dear mba Lina,
>
> it's fascinated me to know that u re really persistent on your
quest to> find the truth.., what kinda of truth that exactly u want
to find..? the> truth abt life, God, religions..? i think all
religions has it own flaws> and errs..not bcs of the message of
religion but the people corrupted it by> their own limited
understanding..
Mbak Carla,
good..you know me much better. At least find a truth that trinity is
not from God or from Jesus. So..we can leave it...
If you find errors on yours, dont generate to others while you dont
have a prove. That is why I always ask a refference or some data.
If it is corrupted because our understanding is limited..it's
oke ..but if this messages corrupted by 'stupid' writers...I could
not accept it as a Wholy Book.
CA:
> all religions written by the hands of man..there's no religions
written> directly from heaven above..there no such thing.., all
religions came from> ancient history, passed from generations after
generations, by scrolls,> books and even only spoke by words, even
God' existence is still complete> mystery that no human could ever
find the answer..so what is left for us> now..?
LD:
Please read all my previous postings about how a wholy book is
written. Do you know who are writers of wholy book Qur'an. You could
read about them. Easy to find. But do you know who are writers of
wholy book Bible? You could not read about them. Because they are
unknown...that is what the encyclopedia says. That is fact, Carla...
Dont generate all things because you only know how Bible is written.
Be fair...madam. Dont blame me. Blame all encyclopedia if you could.
God existence is not mystery for people who really believed in Him.
You just want to hide behind the word "mystery" because you want to
persist on Trinity.
CA:
that's why many ppl become an atheist bcs they believe religions>
only craps and fooled buy that.., i felt pity for them..bcs learning
and to> know God is the most greatest and incredible experience in
life.., bcs it> takes us to the ultimate question..what's the
purpose of life..? many ppl> ignored that question even many ppl
searching for they whole life but still> dont find it..
LD:
Do you ever study..that most of atheist came from Christian faith?
That is what happen in West, I think. So...to be a Christian
Agnostic is better than Atheist. Agnostic believe that Bible is only
a book where are human error inside, there is good moral teaching
also there is bad moral teaching in Bible. You can browse "Agnostic"
for it.
CA:
> mba Lina..whatever u religion is just believe it with all ur heart
and ur> mind.., dont seek for justification from others that have
different> religion from u, bcs pardon me to say this just in case u
re in doubt of> urs.., who knows if u meet someone who could answer
all ur> questions..perhaps they could persuade u or makes u change ur
> belief..anyway..just hold on to ur belief..it's ur key to eternal
life..
LD: Completely wrong. Im not looking for justification from others.
I did it in past. I just want to all of us think logically, even in
faith...because logic is the great gift from God which is make us
different from animal, satan, or even angels...
so appreciate it, please...
If God allow us to use our logic why church don't? unbelievable...
>
> Rgrds,
> Carla
>
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