Siapa yang bicara soal penolakan dunia terhadap AS? Kita bicara soal penyerangan AS ke Iraq, sayangku.
Saya pribadi salut sama AS untuk politik dalam negeri mereka, tapi beda untuk politik luar negerinya. Jadi mbak, jangan mengenaralisir...bicara case by case lah. Apa perlu kita bicara soal AS dan Israel? Knapa As tidak bisa fair di soal Israel sedang di soal lain bisa? tidakkah ini menjadi pertanyaan yang sangat menarik? Lagi2 soal materi dan kekuasaan...ujung2nya... --- In [email protected], Carla Annamarie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > mba Lina..., klo emang segitu hebatnya penolakan dunia terhadap US, kok > banyak bgt imigran2 terutama imigran2 dari arabs yang ingin tinggal or > hidup di US, n banyak org yang dineg nya kena oppression dari pemerintahnya > (neg komunis, sosialis , even ada beberapa neg muslim) pasti minta suakanya > ke US. > US memiliki bnyk university klas dunia such as harvard, MIT, Yale, > princeton, n ironisnya bnyk org dari neg2 lain (juga dari neg2 yang > notabene orang2nya benci sama US ) juga berebutan yang mo belajar ke US.. > mba..freedom is the key to preserve life..., and US have it and provide > it..., btw tau gak mba knp US bisa menang in cold war..salah satunya krn > bnyk org2 pemerintahan russia/even KGB yang membelot ke US, bcs they know > that freedom is provided there...anyway..i think in history US is > spotless..compares with many countries in the world..maybe yang buat bnyk > orang gak suka sama US bcs of their foreign Policy regarding > Israel...maybe itu satu2nya weaknessnya US.. > face it..mba..Lina no countries in the world which is perfect or nearly > perfect.., but negara yang paling banyak kontribusi for man-kind or > peradaban manusia..i think is US..., bisa gak mba mention one of nation yg > punya kontribusi spt US...? > memang itu fakta yang cukup berat untuk diterima..i know..sometimes the > truth is too hard to accept... > > > > > "Lina Dahlan" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] > .com> cc: > Sent by: Subject: [ppiindia] Re: Ini bukan propaganda > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ups.com > > > 05/09/2005 03:33 > PM > Please respond to > ppiindia > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Carla Annamarie > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Ada benernya jg fakta-fakta ini, tapi ini tidak dapat dijadikan > > pembenaran AS menyerang Irak. Itulah kelihaian Amerika menggunakan > > situasi dan kesempatan. Apakah untuk pemerintahan Amrik ini betul > > utk 'freedom' suatu negara lain? bukan ada bisnis lain? > > > >as we look at the history..US never quit to fight for freedom..., > as a> matter of facts if US not enter every wars especially in WW II > and not won> the cold war against Russia...perhaps u and i wont > breath the air of> freedom right now...but it seems we simply forgot > abt that..> france government owe to US for normandie bcs many of US > soldiers died> there.., Germany, british also owed US the same...but > perhaps most of us> forgot abt that..> most ppl ignored or turn back > their reasonable minds for that bcs it's> simple their accusation > based or blur hatred.. > > Sejarah sih boleh aja dibaca. Tentu saja buku sejarah yg mbak baca > itu mengatakan semua itu demi 'freedom'. Apa bukannya 'freedom' itu > dijadikan suatu isme atau jargon politik/alasan sama seperti agama > (oleh neg lain)yang dijadikan alasan? Apa itu bukan usaha AS utk > memberikan image demikian indah? sebagaimana usaha mereka utk > memberikan Islam is terorist? > > Kalo gak ada perang, pesawat tempur dan peralatan perang Amrik gak > laku... > > Emangnya mbak Clara sebagai anak bangsa Indonesia merasa freedom > sekarang? kok aku gak ya? eh..emangnya mbak tinggal dimana ya? > > > > Maukah mereka berperang demi 'freedom' suatu negara lain tanpa > > mengambil keuntungan apa-apa? > > >the numbers of US soldiers that been killed from a war to fight > freedom> for other nations/countries is still the highest amongst > all the nations in> the world..could u debate that..? to me..their > action is beyond reason and> not worthed for every kinda > profit....but all the soldiers that have gave> their life to human > kind..believe that their sacrificies for a great > > cause..and it's called "freedom to every man".. > > Terang aja soldiersnya banyak yang mati..wong negara yang paling > demen perang kok? lumrah aja. Tapi kalo keuntungan materi dan > kekuasaannyanya bisa dicapai, why not? begitu kan politik kini. > Politikus gak akan berfikir seperti pikiran mbak ..deh...apalagi > politikus yang materialistik spt pemerintahan Amrik itu. > > > > Jelas kalau Kuwait, pemerintahan Kuwait minta tolong ke AS, tapi > > Irak?> > why not asked for Arabs or european , why US...?, btw US > dont have any> obligation..right?, i didnt recalled troops from > arabs or jihad fighters> from indo to help for kuwait (kuwait is a > moslem country)..but there were> many US soldiers died during that > war..., to fight for ppl that not even> related religion than > them.., they could refused it.right? they could turn > > their back on kuwait..and let the arabs nation take care the > matter for> them self... > > Ini masalah aku sama kamu, bukan masalah AS dan Arab. > Kan sampeyan yang bilang pemerintahan Kuwait yang minta tolong ke AS > sehingga AS punya hak menyerang Iraq (dalam perang Iraq dan Kuwait). > Tapi soal AS menyerang Iraq kemudian..kan rakyat Iraq juga gak minta > untuk diserang...??? Apa hak AS menyerang Iraq then? Kalau kata mbak > penyerangan AS ke Iraq kmdn utk freedom knp mesti ngibul buat alibi? > Banyak juga pengakuan tentara AS yang tidak mau kembali ke Iraq > setelah menyadari kebusukan Bush, bukan? Banyak yang jadi tentara di > AS itu adalah orang-orang susah hidup di AS...karena jaminan materi > yang besar bagi tentara disana sangat menggiurkan. > > > > Saya kira sebagian besar rakyat Irak memang tidak menyukai Saddam > > yang otoriter, tapi mereka juga tidak menyukai kalau negaranya > > dijajah, apalagi sama Amerika yang dianggap kafir... > > > Mba Lina..now u see the point..., ppl of iraq hates saddam bcs > his> demonized-rezime, but also hate US for > being ""kafir""..gosh..it's so> terrible , dont u see..?, kindness > paid with hatred..., it's like a pattern> in arabs country..., i > wonder if the Kafir ppl or kafir country has> suffered the same > thing, does arabs or islamic country will do the same> thing as > rescue, liberate them, fight for them, sacrificies for them, or > > even died for them..., i think i doubt that..bcs sacrificies for > others> that re different or kafir..is not in the heart or in the > mind of them> (arabs)...bcs it's only hatred they could gives..is it > a very pitiful thing> to see..? > > Point saya adalah tak ada pembenaran bagi AS untuk menyerang Iraq. > Masalah Iraq dan pengkafirannya thdp AS itu masalah lain. > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************* ****** > Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat Persahabatan. 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