dear Pak Kartono, actually there're scientist, philosophers, mathematican, astronomers that could be associated with islam such as: 1. al- farabi, ibn sina, al-kindi ( these three philosophers combined aristotelianism and neoplatonism with other ideas introduced to Islam) but sadly in their era, their teaching according to islam was heretic and they re considered as non-islamic philosophers. abt ibn sina: excelled in medicine but his contribution to science and philosophy is also greatly remembered. Muslims proudly call him the doctor of doctors and enjoy virtual pleasure, alleging him as a golden age of golden Islam. Despite taking the credit, Muslim countries never benefited from his works, however many hospitals, clinics, pharmacies and hotels of Islamic countries are named after him. Ironically, European universities added Ibn Sinas medical and philosophical works to their curriculum but they remained unknown to the witch factories aka madrassas of the Muslim world.
However, his freethinking mind did not accept the absurdities of Islam. He opined in his autobiography under the chapter of THE AFTER LIFE. after life is a notion received from religious teaching; there is no way of establishing its truth save by way of religious dogma and acceptance of the prophets report as true; there refers to what will befall the body at the resurrection and those corporal delights or torments which are too well-known to require restating here. Even during his lifetime ibn sina (Avicenna) was suspected of infidelity to Islam; after his death accusations of heresy, free thought and atheism were repeatedly leveled against him. 2. al razi ( abu bakr mohammed ibn zakariya ar- razi) another great physician wrote more than 200 books of one half of them are about medicine and rest in physics, mathematics and astronomy. Like Ibn Sina, Ar-Razis works had set milestones in medical science. The most controversial book On Prophecy has not survived for an obvious reason. Most likely embarrassed Muslims could not swallow the contents that humiliated the prophet of Islam. Somehow, a part of his second book slipped through the hand of ignorant. Ar-Razi quipped -"These billy goats (Prophets) pretend to come with a message from God, all the while exhausting themselves in spouting their lies, and imposing on the masses blind obedience to the "words of the master." 3. abu 'l-ala ahmad b. abdallah al-ma'arri al ma'arri was also known as the eastern lucretius was famous for poetry and grammar, He was born in Syria but traveled many places until he became blind. He lived in Baghdad for only eighteen months but within this short time he made a name for himself as a poet. After returning from Baghdad , he lived in his hometown Marra for another fifty years. Because of his fame, students from distant places went to Al-Marri to learn from him. Like Ibn Sina, al-Marri did not believe in resurrection and strongly condemned religious beliefs. One of his poems says it all . "Hanifs (Muslims) are stumbling, Christians all astray Jews wildered, Magians far on error's way. We mortals are composed of two great schools: Enlightened knaves else religious fools...' 4. astronomer and and philosopher muslim born Omar khayam. Omar khayam was best known for his rubaiyats or poems but he was outstanding mathematican and astronomers, He also wrote a book of music, an un-Islamic act that may throw him in a burning hell. His calculation of 365.24219858156 days making a year is so close to accurate that modern scientists respectfully remember his name. Omar Khayyam also found a geometric solution of cubic equations. Islam strictly prohibits Martini and bikini. According to Quran, Muslim women are not allowed to reveal their beauty and drinking wine gives you a one-way ticket to hell. But Omar Khayyam was an admirer of beauty and wine. Drinking wine is my travail Till my body is dead and stale At my grave site all shall hail Odor of wine shall prevail. Another piece of gem Heaven is incomplete without a heavenly romance Let a glass of wine be my present circumstance Take what is here now, let go of a promised chance A drumbeat is best heard from a distance. Sadly, Muslim intellectuals do not understand that those golden age of Islam did not care for the Quran neither they discovered anything out of that book. Even though they had the chance of discovering from relatively fresh Quran but they followed the trend of Pythagoras, Aristotle (384-322 BC), Euclid (325-265 BC), Archimedes (287-212 BC), Ptolemy (85-165 AD). Jabir Ibn Haiyan, born unknown and died in 803, probably saw the earliest Quran, served hot from the oven. Interestingly he called Socrates 'the father and mother of all philosophers' and considered him as the prototype of the real chemist instead of finding any chemical formula from the Quran. Pythagoras has often been mentioned in various works of those scholars but failed to discover the speed, velocity or acceleration of Mohammads unicorn, the mythical horse called Buraque. Bernard Lewis has rightly concluded in his book What Went Wrong?- The Islamic Empire inherited "the knowledge and skills of the ancient Middle east, of Greece and of Persia, it added to them new and important innovations from outside, such as the manufacture of paper from China and decimal positional numbering from India. Liberal Abbasid Caliphates such as Harun-al-Rashid and Mamun sponsored those great scholars of the middle age. They were tolerant enough to allow Aristotelian logic, adopted as a framework upon which to build science and philosophy but contrary to Quranic teachings. Eventually, some Muslims understood the threat of real knowledge and how this movement was undermining Islam. At the end of 10th century, famous theologian and a perfect Muslim al-Ghazali brought back the origin of Islam, the real Islam that was practiced by the founder of the religion. In his book, The destruction of philosophy al-Ghazali challenged the process of reasoning because it cannot prove the reality of Allah. Philosophical thoughts and scientific investigations were pushed aside and by the time of his death in 1111, the glorious days of medieval age became a story of the past. Actually these great scholars flourished not because of Islam but they thrived because they abandoned Islam. When Muslim intellectuals desperately try to brand those great people with Islamic marker, it becomes obvious that they are suffering from inferiority complex and abusing those scholars in the name of Islam. Is it not ironic that those incredible achievements were made by all basically apostates in Islam. Kartono Mohamad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lha wong Hidayatullah kok didenger, Dit. Tapi apa yang ditulis di Hidayatullah itu adalah sikap yang biasa terjadi ketika seseorang baru saja bertemu dan hidup bersama dengan orang dari budaya lain. Ini salah satu tahap awal dari bagian proses intercultural learning. Tahap itu bermula dari rasa rendah diri terhadap budayanya sendiri lalu melakukan reaksi defensif untuk membuktikan bahwa budayanya tidak lebih rendah dengan menunjukkan sejarah lama tanpa ia sendiri mengetahui benar sejarah itu. Menyedihkan memang kalau menganggap filsafah modern (barat) berkembang dari filsafah Islam, lha wong filusuf Islam jaman dulu itu bermula dari belajar filsafah Yunani kuno. Tahap semacam ini sering dijumpai pada mereka yang sebenarnya belum dewasa atau belum mempu berpikiran dewasa. Kalau dipelihara ia akan berubah menjadi gangguan kejiwaan yang berupa paranoia. Akibatnya ia selalu curiga dan sibuk memusuhi budaya lain tetapi tidak pernah berupaya membuktikan bahwa ia mampu juga berdiri sama tinggi dengan budaya lain. Tahap mereka itu memang baru sampai di situ. KM -------Original Message------- From: radityo djadjoeri Date: 08/11/2007 17:24:54 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ppiindia@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ppiindia] Re: [PKS] Mayoritas Penemuan Modern Ditemukan Ilmuwan Muslim Ini satu contoh lagi, klaim konyol atas nama kecap no 1. Kenapa musti muslim vs non muslim? Kenapa tidak misalnya menyebut bangsa saja? Misal penemunya dari Indonesia, atau Korsel atau Iran, atau negeri mana kek. Iwan Wibisana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mayoritas Penemuan Modern Ditemukan Ilmuwan Muslim Cetak halaman ini <http://hidayatullah.com/index2 php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5706&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=1> Kirim halaman ini melalui E-mail <http://hidayatullah.com/index2 php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=5706&itemid=1> Kamis, 08 November 2007 /Penemuan ilmu pengetahuan dan teknologi modern saat ini, sesungguhnya telah lama ditemukan kaum Muslim. Demikian ujar guru besar Columbia University/ */Hidayatullah.com--/*Para ilmuwan Muslim sudah membuat banyak penemuan-penemuan dari usia yang ada, demikian ujar Prof. Dr. George Saliba, guru besar Universitas Arab dan Islam Universitas Columbia. Pernyataan Saliba ini disampaikan dalam sebuah seminar di Government College University (GCU), hari Senin kemarin. Saliba hadir dalam seminar bertajuk, The /Problems of Historiography of Islamic Science/, yang diselenggarakan di Fazl-e-Hussain Hall. Saliba memberi suatu kritik dari buku klasik tentang kenaikan ilmu pengetahuan Islam. Ia memerinci permasalahan dalam banyak buku dan menjelaskan penulisan sejarah alternatif bahwa digambarkan jika perkembangan ilmiah Islam sebagai hasil interaksi sosial dan kondisi-kondisi politis di dalam kerajaan Islam. Saliba mengatakan, filsafat Islam telah mendorong ilmu pengetahuan dan telah mendukung berbagai disiplin-disiplin ilmu. Termasuk tumbuh-tumbuhan, ilmu hewan, aljabar, trigonometri, ilmu fisika, ilmu kimia, ilmu perbintangan, ilmu fisika, ilmu kimia, ilmu faal dan matematika sebelum zaman industri. Ia juga mengatakan, pecahan persepuluhan bukan suatu penemuan orang Barat dan bahwa itu ditemukan oleh seorang ilmuwan Muslim. Ia juga menambahkan, sistem biner, adalah juga ditemukan oleh seorang ilmuwan Muslim. Dr. George Saliba, adalah Profesor Ilmu pengetahuan Islam-Arab. Selain itum ia juga duduk di Departemen dari Timur Tengah dan Bahasa-bahasa Asia, di Columbia University, New York, AS. Sebelum Saliba, orientalis asal Skotlandia, William Montgomery Watt pernah secara jujur, bagaimana Barat sangat berhutang budi pada Islam, khususnya dalam pengembangan ilmu pengetahuan. Montgomery yang pernah mendapatkan gelar "/Emiritus Professor/," gelar penghormatan tertinggi bagi seorang ilmuwan, sangat tekun melakukan penelitiannya tentang Islam. Khususnya sejarah perkembembangan pengetahuan di dunia Islam. Montgomery secara jujur mengakui, perkembangan ilmu pengetahuan yang kini berkembang pesat di Barat dan Eropa, sesungguhnya sebagian besar telah banyak ditemukan kaum Muslim sebelumnya. [/daily times//cha/www.hidayatullah.com <http://hidayatullah.com/>] -- Iwan Wibisana PT Indo Internet Cyber Building 8th Jl Kuningan Barat No 8 Jakarta 12710 Phone : 62-21-5210607 Fax : 62-21-5210912 www.indo.net.id [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] blog: http://artculture-indonesia.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]