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Di bawah ini pembicaraan Larry King dengan Shirley MacClaine: KING: She's an old and dear friend, and one of the more talented people on the American scene. Shirley MacClaine, the Oscar-winning actress, author of new book, "Sageing While Aging." All of her books are major best-sellers. There you see its cover. There's a lot in this book that we are not into tonight, but we're going to discuss one aspect of it -- which is UFOS, fitting our subject tonight. By the way, Shirley came up during a recent Democratic presidential debate in Philadelphia. Tim Russert is asking Representative Kucinich about MacClaine's book. Watch. (AUDIO GAP) KING: Oh, I'm sorry. I thought we had it. They've lied to me again. Anyway, many people react with laughter when they hear people talk about UFOs. How do you explain that? SHIRLEY MACCLAINE, ACTRESS, BELIEVES IN UFOS, HOPES TO BOARD ONE: I don't know. I think the unknown is traumatizing to people. I think we do have a built in DNA of fear. One of the reasons I'm so interested in all of this -- I'll tell you how I got interested in a minute, if you want to know. But I think the consciousness of how we relate to this phenomenon and the consciousness of change that happened to people who were taken aboard crafts -- because I've talked to a lot of them... KING: Like the sergeant said he's never been the same. MACCLAINE: He was afraid. The whole idea of what induces fear is something they talk about a lot. It's -- to me, I don't want to get into arguments are they real or not anymore. I've had too much experience talking to people all over the world -- particularly in Peru -- who have satisfied me. But what... KING: So you believe in them? MACCLAINE: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. I think maybe the problem with accepting it and the need to have a kind of curtain of humiliation drawn is that it confounds us relating to our religion and our belief in God. But what I've found with the people -- and I worked a lot with Johnny Mack, the head of the psychiatry at Harvard, an old friend of mine -- a wonderful man. And he said that we have to get clear in our own heads and our own consciousness what God is. KING: And do you think this sort of to people -- it tells us there is no God because there's (INAUDIBLE)... MACCLAINE: The opposite there. The opposite. Because what they've told me is they're being taught two things. They're being taught that we are trashing the planet in a fierce way. Be careful. Then we're being taught that they, too -- even though they may be extremely superior in many technological ways, they're trying to teach us about the superiority of our technical spirits and knowledge that we haven't even touched. KING: Why do you think -- just think. They don't land in downtown Washington. MACCLAINE: Well, listen. I was 18-years-old, Arlington, Virginia -- where we lived. UFOS buzzed the Capitol and buzzed the White House on July 19, 1952. I recorded it in my diary. No one knew what it was. The switchboards lit up. Everybody was confused. A few days later, Truman -- who was president then, had General Sanford go on television -- I have the kinescope, actually -- and say, look, they're not ours and they're not Russians. We don't know what they are. KING: And you've got the form that Jimmy Carter filled out? MACCLAINE: Yes. I found the actual one where he's got all of his handwritten... KING: Well, he saw a sighting. MACCLAINE: Oh, sure. Well, a lot of people... KING: And you've got -- the Vatican said something? MACCLAINE: Yes. Now, this is interest in relation to the question and problem of religion and God. Padre Balducci -- a wonderful man, Monsignor Balducci -- very close to each pope. He has come out with a statement. You see how thick it is, so I can't read it. They're real, they have discussed what to do about it. Vatican intelligence would really like to discuss it. That's the problem here. We need the governments to reveal these files. The Chinese have done it. The Brazilians have done it. The French did it about a month ago and it so lit up their switchboard it crashed their Net. So I think the people are way ahead of military intelligence. KING: Well, what is the -- since they're not attacking us and they have been seen for years, what's the fear? What's the government's fear? MACCLAINE: That's an interesting question. I've been working with Paul Hillard. He's the minister -- the ex-minister of defense, Canada, under Trudeau. He is upset because the Americans are planning the weaponization of space, as though they are enemies. KING: Really? MACCLAINE: Yes. And it is very troubling to him. It came out of a project called Project Paper Clip, in which -- and this is what Eisenhower warned us against -- the sustention of the military industrial complex. In order to extend the power and the funding of the military industrial complex, you have to be afraid of things. Number one was communism. If that petered out, number two is terrorism. That's here for a while. Number three is asteroids. And number four is extraterrestrials. So there might be a built in reasoning here to have induced fear just to keep the military industrial complex going. KING: You've talked to a lot of people over the years, right? MACCLAINE: Oh, yes. KING: Astronauts, presidents, etc.? MACCLAINE: Right. KING: And your belief is firm, right? MACCLAINE: No question. KING: Do you think we'll ever know, know? MACCLAINE: Yes. And I think there will be sightings and I get the feeling -- and this is where consciousness comes in, because all of these guys who were talking about how they were afraid, etc. -- and I've talked to so many who had these feelings. It's all about feelings. It's all about what goes on in the spirit of your head. I think -- I think, really, the government in this country wants to release this information. Military intelligence does, because I've -- I know some of them. And I think they are watching what happens in terms of the public's reaction. KING: This conference Monday, then, is important? MACCLAINE: Yes, I think it's important. KING: Thanks, Shirley. MACCLAINE: OK. KING: Shirley MacClaine and her new book. All of her books have been best-sellers. The new one is "Sageing While Aging." We'll be right back with our panel. But as we go to break, here is the aforementioned clip, which we didn't have before. Dennis Kucinich in a recent debate explaining to Tim Russert his encounter with a UFO. MACCLAINE: They should ask Governor Richardson. He's the governor of that... catatan: topik ini sedang dibahas di milis UFO Indonesia http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/beta-ufo blog: http://artculture-indonesia.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? 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