mas nugroho ini kepiye se? ditanya apa koq malah melempar topik lain. jawab dlu deh pertanyaan saya itu, to the point nanti saya komentarin deh posting mbak carla ini, insya Allah
monggo mas.. Nugroho Dewanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [email protected] 11/28/2007 01:01 PM Please respond to [email protected] To [email protected] cc Subject Re: [ppiindia] perbedaan JIL atau IslamLIb dengan ISLAM bung harris, bacaan ini pernah diposting carla. saya ingin dengar komentar anda. mereka adalah tokoh-tokoh liberal islam yang dimasanya dikuyo-kuyo kaum agama seperti anda. tokoh-tokoh ilmuwan ini disebut sebagai "kaum yang meninggalkan agama." aneh di zaman sekarang, anda mengklaim mereka sebagai leluhur anda. ironis. 1. al- farabi, ibn sina, al-kindi ( these three philosophers combined aristotelianism and neoplatonism with other ideas introduced to Islam) but sadly in their era, their teaching according to islam was heretic and they re considered as non-islamic philosophers. abt ibn sina: excelled in medicine but his contribution to science and philosophy is also greatly remembered. Muslims proudly call him the doctor of doctors and enjoy virtual pleasure, alleging him as a golden age of golden Islam. Despite taking the credit, Muslim countries never benefited from his works, however many hospitals, clinics, pharmacies and hotels of Islamic countries are named after him. Ironically, European universities added Ibn Sina’s medical and philosophical works to their curriculum but they remained unknown to the witch factories aka madrassas of the Muslim world. However, his freethinking mind did not accept the absurdities of Islam. He opined in his autobiography under the chapter of “THE AFTER LIFE”. – “ after life is a notion received from religious teaching; there is no way of establishing it’s truth save by way of religious dogma and acceptance of the prophet’s report as true; there refers to what will befall the body at the resurrection and those corporal delights or torments which are too well-known to require restating here.” Even during his lifetime ibn sina (Avicenna) was suspected of infidelity to Islam; after his death accusations of heresy, free thought and atheism were repeatedly leveled against him.” 2. al razi ( abu bakr mohammed ibn zakariya ar- razi) another great physician wrote more than 200 books of one half of them are about medicine and rest in physics, mathematics and astronomy. Like Ibn Sina, Ar-Razi’s works had set milestones in medical science. The most controversial book “On Prophecy” has not survived for an obvious reason. Most likely embarrassed Muslims could not swallow the contents that humiliated the prophet of Islam. Somehow, a part of his second book slipped through the hand of ignorant. Ar-Razi quipped -"These billy goats (Prophets) pretend to come with a message from God, all the while exhausting themselves in spouting their lies, and imposing on the masses blind obedience to the "words of the master." 3. abu 'l-ala ahmad b. abdallah al-ma'arri al ma'arri was also known as the eastern lucretius was famous for poetry and grammar, He was born in Syria but traveled many places until he became blind. He lived in Baghdad for only eighteen months but within this short time he made a name for himself as a poet. After returning from Baghdad , he lived in his hometown Marra for another fifty years. Because of his fame, students from distant places went to Al-Marri to learn from him. Like Ibn Sina, al-Marri did not believe in resurrection and strongly condemned religious beliefs. One of his poems says it all…. "Hanifs (Muslims) are stumbling, Christians all astray Jews wildered, Magians far on error's way. We mortals are composed of two great schools: Enlightened knaves else religious fools...' 4. astronomer and and philosopher muslim born Omar khayam. Omar khayam was best known for his rubaiyats or poems but he was outstanding mathematican and astronomers, He also wrote a book of music, an un-Islamic act that may throw him in a burning hell. His calculation of 365.24219858156 days making a year is so close to accurate that modern scientists respectfully remember his name. Omar Khayyam also found a geometric solution of cubic equations. Islam strictly prohibits Martini and bikini. According to Quran, Muslim women are not allowed to reveal their beauty and drinking wine gives you a one-way ticket to hell. But Omar Khayyam was an admirer of beauty and wine. “Drinking wine is my travail Till my body is dead and stale At my grave site all shall hail Odor of wine shall prevail.” Another piece of gem…… “Heaven is incomplete without a heavenly romance Let a glass of wine be my present circumstance Take what is here now, let go of a promised chance A drumbeat is best heard from a distance.” Sadly, Muslim intellectuals do not understand that those golden age of Islam did not care for the Quran neither they discovered anything out of that book. Even though they had the chance of discovering from relatively fresh Quran but they followed the trend of Pythagoras, Aristotle (384-322 BC), Euclid (325-265 BC), Archimedes (287-212 BC), Ptolemy (85-165 AD). Jabir Ibn Haiyan, born unknown and died in 803, probably saw the earliest Quran, served hot from the oven. Interestingly he called Socrates 'the father and mother of all philosophers' and considered him as the prototype of the real chemist instead of finding any chemical formula from the Quran. Pythagoras has often been mentioned in various works of those scholars but failed to discover the speed, velocity or acceleration of Mohammad’s unicorn, the mythical horse called Buraque. Bernard Lewis has rightly concluded in his book “What Went Wrong?- The Islamic Empire inherited "the knowledge and skills of the ancient Middle east, of Greece and of Persia, it added to them new and important innovations from outside, such as the manufacture of paper from China and decimal positional numbering from India. Liberal Abbasid Caliphates such as Harun-al-Rashid and Mamun sponsored those great scholars of the middle age. They were tolerant enough to allow Aristotelian logic, adopted as a framework upon which to build science and philosophy but contrary to Quranic teachings. Eventually, some Muslims understood the threat of real knowledge and how this movement was undermining Islam. At the end of 10th century, famous theologian and a perfect Muslim al-Ghazali brought back the origin of Islam, the real Islam that was practiced by the founder of the religion. In his book, “The destruction of philosophy” – al-Ghazali challenged the process of reasoning because it cannot prove the reality of Allah. Philosophical thoughts and scientific investigations were pushed aside and by the time of his death in 1111, the glorious days of medieval age became a story of the past. Actually these great scholars flourished not because of Islam but they thrived because they abandoned Islam. When Muslim intellectuals desperately try to brand those great people with Islamic marker, it becomes obvious that they are suffering from inferiority complex and abusing those scholars in the name of Islam. Is it not ironic that those incredible achievements were made by all basically apostates in Islam. At 11:31 AM 11/28/2007 +0700, you wrote: >apa pak nugroho stuju dg ajaran2 islamliberal? bedanya apa seh dg islam? >monggo mas... > >Nugroho Dewanto ><<mailto:ndewanto%40mail.tempo.co.id>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent by: <mailto:ppiindia%40yahoogroups.com>[email protected] >11/28/2007 11:29 AM >Please respond to ><mailto:ppiindia%40yahoogroups.com>[email protected] > >To ><mailto:ppiindia%40yahoogroups.com>[email protected] >cc > >Subject >Re: [ppiindia] Fwd: Undangan Diskusi JIL tentang Kebebasan dan >Ketidakbebasan Beragama > >salah bung. > >judulnya: undangan diskusi JIL. mungkin anda harus belajar >perbedaan sebuah acara dan sebuah lembaga. > >At 12:32 PM 11/27/2007 +0700, you wrote: > > >assalamu 'alaikum wa rahmatu-lLahi wa barakatuH, > > > >karena anda msh 'muslim' maka saya beri salam. > > > >langsung aja to the point ga usah muter2 ke syiah, wahabi dll. > > > >judulnya itu ttg JIL alias islamliberal. > > > >apa pak nugroho stuju dg ajaran2 islamliberal? bedanya apa seh dg islam? > > > >tolong pencerahannya pak nugroho.. > > > >Wassalamu'alaikum, > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
