dear pak Nug,
i have been following obama's campaign actually from quite some time...
and actually if u re scroll down my previous email, never once i mentioned that
i favored mc'cain, pls dont change the subject.
----- Original Message ----
From: Nugroho Dewanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ppiindia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 4, 2008 12:20:19 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: NY Times : A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path Re:
[ppiindia] Re: Obama Makin Bersinar
carla,
sila google juga "mccain lies" dan "mccain iraq."
saya heran ada perempuan menyukai orang yang berhati
kejam dan pembunuh sesamanya di belahan dunia lain.
jangan terlalu sentimental terhadap mccain semata karena dia
rajin kotbah di gereja dan gigih membela israel. yesus pasti
sedih melihat orang kristen seperti dia.
obama memang tak pernah menjadi jaksa, tapi itu tak
menjadikan dia kurang kompeten untuk menjadi presiden
amerika.
apa yang anda maksud sebagai gereja rasis? ayolah carla,
anda tahu sejarah gereja kulit hitam di amerika yang berdiri
karena diskriminasi rasial kaum kulit putih. kulit hitam tak boleh
mengikuti kebaktian di gereja kulit putih padahal mereka
sama-sama kristen!
sebagai orang indonesia kepentingan saya jelas di indonesia.
saya percaya bila obama menjadi presiden dia bisa membawa
kebaikan ke seluruh dunia, termasuk ke indonesia. kepentingan
anda dimana, carla?
berikut ini komentar seorang pemirsa tentang tayangan kotbah
pendeta obama yang terus menerus disiarkan fox news.
Posted by Gail
on April 1, 2008, 1:02 pm
FOX NEWS is completely full of bias right wing conservatives who have taken
their control over the media and brought a disgrace to the American public.
They were also the ones behind the whole controversy of Barrack being
Muslim and NOW they are pulling this pastor business up out of their ass.
No other station has any interest in this and does not replay over and OVER
and OVER the same misconstrued "news clip" or "reporting" quite like this.
They should be taken off the air. This should be illegal
soal polling obama vs mccain, lihat data yang saya ambil
dari realclearpolitics. com dibawah ini. lihat spread di antara keduanya dalam
polling dari november tahun lalu sampai maret tahun ini.
See All General Election: McCain vs. Obama Commentary & News Stories
Polling Data
PollDateSampleObama (D)McCain (R)UndSpread
RCP Average03/18 - 03/31-44.244. 48.8McCain +0.2
Rasmussen Tracking03/28 - 03/311700 LV414712McCain +6.0
Gallup Tracking03/27 - 03/314409 RV44464McCain +2.0
NBC/WSJ03/24 - 03/25800 RV44427Obama +2.0
Pew Research03/19 - 03/221,248 RV49438Obama +6.0
FOX News03/18 - 03/19900 RV434413McCain +1.0
CBS News03/15 - 03/18RV48436Obama +5.0
CNN03/14 - 03/16950 RV47461Obama +1.0
USA Today/Gallup03/ 14 - 03/15685 LV49473Obama +2.0
Reuters/Zogby03/ 13 - 03/141004 LV4046--McCain +6.0
NBC/WSJ03/07 - 03/101,012 RV47445Obama +3.0
Cook/RT Strategies03/ 06 - 03/09802 RV434511McCain +2.0
Newsweek03/05 - 03/061,215 RV46459Obama +1.0
Cook/RT Strategies02/ 28 - 03/02802 RV473812Obama +9.0
ABC/Wash Post02/28 - 03/02LV53423Obama +11.0
LA Times/Bloomberg02/ 21 - 02/25RV42449McCain +2.0
AP-Ipsos02/22 - 02/24755 RV51412Obama +10.0
USA Today/Gallup02/ 21 - 02/241653 LV47482McCain +1.0
CBS News/NY Times02/20 - 02/241115 RV50387Obama +12.0
Pew Research02/20 - 02/241240 RV50437Obama +7.0
FOX News02/19 - 02/20900 RV474310Obama +4.0
Hotline/FD02/ 14 - 02/17803 RV48409Obama +8.0
Reuters/Zogby02/ 13 - 02/16928 LV474013Obama +7.0
USA Today/Gallup02/ 08 - 02/10706 LV50464Obama +4.0
AP-Ipsos02/07 - 02/101,029 A48428Obama +6.0
Time02/01 - 02/04958 LV48416Obama +7.0
CNN02/01 - 02/03974 RV52444Obama +8.0
Cook/RT Strategies01/ 31 - 02/02855 RV45439Obama +2.0
ABC/Wash Post01/30 - 02/011249 A49463Obama +3.0
FOX News01/30 - 01/31900 RV444313Obama +1.0
NPR01/29 - 01/311000 LV47483McCain +1.0
Rasmussen01/ 25 - 01/271200 LV414712McCain +6.0
NBC/WSJ01/20 - 01/221008 A42426Tie
LA Times/Bloomberg01/ 18 - 01/221312 RV414212McCain +1.0
Rasmussen01/ 16 - 01/17800 LV464113Obama +5.0
USA Today/Gallup01/ 10 - 01/131106 LV45502McCain +5.0
Hotline/FD01/ 10 - 01/12803 RV413911Obama +2.0
CNN01/09 - 01/10840 RV4948--Obama +1.0
Rasmussen01/ 04 - 01/06800 LV434611McCain +3.0
FOX News12/18 - 12/19900 RV404417McCain +4.0
Zogby12/12 - 12/141000 LV474310Obama +4.0
CNN12/06 - 12/09RV48481Tie
Rasmussen11/ 26 - 11/27800 LV444412Tie
Rasmussen11/ 16 - 11/17800 LV464311Obama +3.0
Gallup11/11 - 11/14897 RV47444Obama +3.0
Quinnipiac10/ 23 - 10/291636 RV43438Tie
LA Times/Bloomberg10/ 19 - 10/22522 RV443613Obama +8.0
FOX News09/25 - 09/26900 RV403822Obama +2.0
Rasmussen09/ 19 - 09/20800 LV464113Obama +5.0
Quinnipiac08/ 07 - 08/131545 LV433911Obama +4.0
Rasmussen08/ 01 - 08/02800 LV464014Obama +6.0
FOX News07/17 - 07/18900 RV473716Obama +10.0
Rasmussen07/ 16 - 07/171029 LV473815Obama +9.0
Zogby07/12 - 07/141012 LV4542--Obama +3.0
CNN06/22 - 06/24907 RV48443Obama +4.0
Newsweek06/20 - 06/21831 RV51418Obama +10.0
Rasmussen06/ 13 - 06/14800 LV463816Obama +8.0
USA Today/Gallup06/ 11 - 06/14927 RV48462Obama +2.0
Quinnipiac06/ 05 - 06/111,711 RV434110Obama +2.0
LA Times/Bloomberg06/ 07 - 06/101056 RV47358Obama +12.0
Zogby05/17 - 05/20993 RV46438Obama +3.0
Hotline/FD05/ 16 - 05/20800 RV423919Obama +3.0
Newsweek05/02 - 05/03831 RV52399Obama +13.0
Marist04/26 - 05/01823 RV394615McCain +7.0
Quinnipiac04/ 25 - 05/011166 RV424212Tie
Hotline/FD04/ 26 - 04/30801 RV483713Obama +11.0
NBC/WSJ04/20 - 04/231004 A453910Obama +6.0
Rasmussen04/ 09 - 04/10800 LV484210Obama +6.0
LA Times/Bloomberg04/ 05 - 04/09603 RV48407Obama +8.0
Time04/05 - 04/091102 RV47427Obama +5.0
Time03/23 - 03/261102 RV43458McCain +2.0
Rasmussen03/ 14 - 03/15800 LV444412Tie
Time03/09 - 03/121500 RV444110Obama +3.0
American Res. Group03/02 - 03/052104 LV424610McCain +4.0
Newsweek02/28 - 03/011202 RV454312Obama +2.0
Time02/23 - 02/261144 RV46427Obama +4.0
Zogby02/22 - 02/241078 LV444016Obama +4.0
Quinnipiac02/ 13 - 02/191536 RV434310Tie
Marist02/12 - 02/15978 RV414415McCain +3.0
USA Today/Gallup02/ 09 - 02/11936 RV48482Tie
Rasmussen02/ 07 - 02/08800 LV444412Tie
Newsweek01/24 - 01/25837 RV484210Obama +6.0
Time01/22 - 01/231064 RV42495McCain +7.0
ABC News/Wash Post01/16 - 01/191000 A47453Obama +2.0
Newsweek01/17 - 01/181003 A464410Obama +2.0
Rasmussen01/ 17 - 01/18800 LV47449Obama +3.0
Hotline/FD01/ 11 - 01/14800 RV384320McCain +5.0
Battleground01/ 08 - 01/11500 LV395110McCain +12.0
IBD/TIPP01/02 - 01/04951 A364810McCain +12.0
CNN12/15 - 12/171019 A43476McCain +4.0
Rasmussen12/ 12 - 12/131000 LV40467McCain +6.0
Newsweek12/06 - 12/071000 A434512McCain +2.0
FOX News12/05 - 12/06900 RV304921McCain +19.0
Rasmussen11/ 06 - 11/071000 LV39476McCain +8.0
At 06:15 AM 4/3/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>pak Nug,
>
>the inexperiences thing is not the only reason i think he's not qualified.
>read my email below. observe his interviews, his speeches and read his
>books and then compared to objective facts. he is repeteadly lying and
>fabricating.
>
>btw i suggest u read abt his profile carefully . obama was never been a
>district attorney (jaksa), after graduated from harvard he became
>community organizer, university lecturer, and civil right lawyer, running
>public office serve illinois from 1997-2004, he became junior senator in
>2005. so he never been a D.A/ jaksa (check ur fact).
>
>i know that indonesia has sentimental feeling fot this guy just because he
>was lived here during certain time, and maybe indonesian people feel
>connected somehow to him and endorsed him to be US president. but see the
>facts objectively.
>
>obama's said he will bring unity to american people, but for some 20 years
>he has been a member of racial church whom his pastor also his spiritual
>mentor is a racist pastor who preach hateful sermons about america and
>white american, it's kinda strange to find him with his slogan about
>unity. he sells his words about unity bcs it's suitable of his profile
>half white-and half african, he is a good political package though and
>sold out.
>
>i admired his capability of speech, he is an excellence orator, and he is
>intelligent man( he is a harvard grad) i dont doubt it for a sec, but i
>question his judgement and honesty.
>
>about obama, his lies and fabrications re damaging his campaign and the
>DNC, because the facts re all there. as i said to my fam and relatives in
>US. choose wisely. think, analize then choose.
>
>unfortunately dems only have two candidates, obama and hillary, obama's
>won the popular vote so far from hillary. the next DNC convention where
>the vote of super delegates will determine who is dem's president nominee.
>there'll be a bloody fight inside the dems. recently hillary too has been
>caught of lying about her trip in bosnia when she said she was under gun
>fired. tough choice for dems. maybe al gore will save the day. who knows.
>as one of my democrat friends said maybe for the first time in his life he
>will be voting for republican.. :)). dems have trouble of screening their
>candidates (remember john kerry and michale dukakis) and now the glowbama.
>
>the latest national polls obama vs mc'cain, dated 18/03 - 1/04:
>1. RCP average : Obama (44.2%)- Mc'cain (44.4%)
>2. Rassmussen tracking: obama (41%) - M'cain (47%)
>3.Gallup tracking: obama (44%) - Mc'cain (46%)
>
>check the fact. try google and youtube:) the keyword " obama's lies".
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