On 2011/10/29 5:43, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
On 10/18/11 1:20 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:

On 18 okt 2011, at 20:15, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:

However, we might want to provide some text in the security
considerations about the desirability (or not) of full-Unicode passwords.

For the record, there are other issues which make using full Unicode passwords a problem. They mainly stem from the fact that you can't see a password when you type it. This for example makes it very difficult to e.g. use passwords with Han characters, because they are usually input by using a phonetic method and then verifying/tweaking the converted result.

[I don't think there's a need for this fact to go into the document.]

Regards,    Martin.


I'm slow, but what's the security consideration?  There are
interoperability considerations: if two applications want to
co-operate in authentication, then they're going to need to use
Unicode or make up their own protocol.

Right, it's text about interoperability. Where exactly that belongs is
another matter. I'm happy to add a section about interoperability.

Please separate the question on what charset (including encoding) is used in the protocol with how 
comparisons (etc) is done. What is the responsibility on the "client" and 
"server", etc.

Here is proposed text.

###

    Although strings that are consumed in PRECIS-based application
    protocols are often encoded using UTF-8 [RFC3629], the exact encoding
    is a matter for the using protocol, not the PRECIS framework.

    It is known that some existing systems are unable to support the full
    Unicode character set, or even any characters outside the US-ASCII
    range.  If two (or more) applications need to interoperate when
    exchanging data (e.g., for the purpose of authenticating a username
    or password), they will naturally need have in common at least one
    coded character set (as defined by [RFC6365]).  Establishing such a
    baseline is a matter for the using protocol, not the PRECIS
    framework.

###

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