Sure, but I'm afraid that the problem with CDR process is that if you don't get buy-in from implementors first, it will go nowhere. Right now the CDR repository is mostly a dump for half-baked ideas. Is there even one that has been adopted by at least two CL implementations *after* publication ? > > It might be nice to get some of the APIs that are in UIOP into CDRs. > I'd love to see some of that code moved to the implementations where > it belongs, and out of the ASDF codebase.> cheers, > r
> > On 24 May 2018, at 3:34, Antoniotti Marco wrote: >> >> >>> On May 23, 2018, at 11:57 , Svante v. Erichsen >>> <[email protected]> wrote:>>> >>> Hi >>> >>> I agree that hosting seems not to be the issue. It just needs to be >>> corrected in CDR 4 (adjusting URLs is allowed).>> >> Yep.. That should be fixed. >> >>> I was just asking about the existing procedure, in whatever state >>> that may be, as I am considering participation. Of course, this >>> should be taken to the CDR mailinglists instead, sorry for that.>> >> The procedure is quite simple. I quote: >> >> * One or more authors submit a document. >> * We (*) check that the document is a printable text document, that >> it is indeed about Common Lisp, and that it does not contain >> objectionable material (like porn, religious or political >> statements, etc.). >> * The document will be immediately assigned a fresh CDR number that >> can be used to refer to the document. We will make the document >> available for an initial period, after which it will be frozen and >> moved into final status, unless the authors decide to withdraw the >> document during the initial period.>> >> (*) the “editors” >> >> Apart from my guilty delinquency on redoing the web site, most of the >> work has been taking care of spam (an inordinate amount of French >> spam - go figure) on the mailing lists.>> >> >>> I disagree about the judgement of the perceived lack of >>> contributions, though. I feel that it is perfectly valid not to have >>> itches that would need to be scratched on the language level.>> >> Of course. I do not think that any of the 14 CDRs “scratch itches at >> the language level”.>> >> Having said so, I do believe that a few more CDRs would go a long way >> to clarify the corner cases of the language while nudging all the >> implementations (if they are “nudge-able”) to implement them.>> >> Cheers >> — >> MA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Yours aye >>> >>> Svante >>> >>> Am 23. Mai 2018 08:40:14 MESZ, schrieb Antoniotti Marco >>> <[email protected]>:>>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> I don’t think the problem is the hosting; CLL works just fine >>>> and CDR>>>> hold only “finished” documents. I think that the main >>>> problem >>>> is the>>>> *lack* of contributions, which somehow reflects the overall >>>> status of>>>> the community. >>>> >>>> How to change the attitude of the community into seeing value in >>>> what>>>> is in effect a “bottom up” standardization effort, I sincerely >>>> don’t>>>> know. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> — >>>> MA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On May 22, 2018, at 13:14 , Alexandre Rademaker >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Back in 2013, ECL in Madrid, I remember some discussions about the>>>> >>>>> future of CDR. It would be nice to compare with other similar >>>> initiatives such as >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Python :https://www.python.org/dev/peps/ >>>>> Erlang : http://www.erlang.org/erlang-enhancement-proposals/home>>>>> >>>>> I’ve also tried to see how Haskell and Racket deal with that. I >>>>> found>>>> this >>>> https://www.quora.com/Is-there-anything-like-PEP-but-for-Haskell>>>> >>>> about Racket. Racket seems to use Github issues >>>> https://github.com/racket/racket/issues >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is there still a place for CDR? If so, maybe we can simply use the>>>> >>>>> GitHub infrastructure? We may also try to find incentives to CDR >>>> submissions? Maybe associating it to short-papers in ECL/ECLM? >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Alexandre Rademaker >>>>> http://arademaker.github.io >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 22 May 2018, at 06:53, Antoniotti Marco >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> I have been somewhat stewarding the project, but do not have >>>>>> much>>>> time to do maintenance (read: revamping the web site) at all. >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It must also be said that there have not been submissions for >>>>>> CDRs,>>>> or requests for much change to old ones in a long time as far >>>>>> as I>>>> could tell. >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> All the best >>>>>> >>>>>> Marco >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 22, 2018, at 11:43 , Svante v. Erichsen >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd certainly want this project to continue, so I'd consider >>>> participating in it. Can you give a rough estimate of the >>>> frequency of>>>> requests and the effort needed to address them? >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am a bit confused that the project actually seems to reside at>>>> >>>>>>> common-lisp.net, but claims to be hosted at cdr.eurolisp.org (which>>>> >>>>>>> redirects to Edi's homepage). How is the work organized >>>> technically? Is>>>> there a version control repository? >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yours aye >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Svante >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 22. Mai 2018 10:50:20 MESZ, schrieb Pascal Costanza >>>> <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Common Lisp Document Repository (CDR - >>>>>>>> https://common-lisp.net/project/cdr/) is for all practical >>>> purposes >>>> >>>>>>>> currently unmaintained. We have been receiving a few minor>>>> requests >>>> >>>>>>>> recently, but don’t have the time anymore to take care of >>>>>>>> this.>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is there somebody else in the community who would like to take>>>> >>>>>>>> over and >>>> >>>>>>>> breathe some new life into this project? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Pascal >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Pascal Costanza >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Marco Antoniotti, Associate Professor tel. +39 - 02 64 48 79 01>>>>>> >>>>>> DISCo, Università Milano Bicocca U14 >>>> 2043 http://bimib.disco.unimib.it >>>> >>>>>> Viale Sarca 336 >>>>>> I-20126 Milan (MI) ITALY >>>>>> >>>>>> Please check: http://cdac2018.lakecomoschool.org >>>>>> Please check: http://troncopackage.org >>>>>> Please check: >>>> https://www.frontiersin.org/research-topics/7394/network-bioscience>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Please note that I am not checking my Spam-box anymore. >>>>>> Please do not forward this email without asking me first (cum >>>>>> grano>>>> salis). >>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Marco Antoniotti, Associate Professor tel. +39 - 02 64 48 79 01 >>>> DISCo, Università Milano Bicocca U14 2043 >>>> http://bimib.disco.unimib.it>>>> Viale Sarca 336 >>>> I-20126 Milan (MI) ITALY >>>> >>>> Please check: http://cdac2018.lakecomoschool.org >>>> Please check: http://troncopackage.org >>>> Please check: >>>> https://www.frontiersin.org/research-topics/7394/network-bioscience>>>> >>>> Please note that I am not checking my Spam-box anymore. >>>> Please do not forward this email without asking me first (cum >>>> grano>>>> salis). >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Marco Antoniotti, Associate Professor tel. +39 - 02 64 48 79 01 >> DISCo, Università Milano Bicocca U14 2043 >> http://bimib.disco.unimib.it>> Viale Sarca 336 >> I-20126 Milan (MI) ITALY >> >> Please check: http://cdac2018.lakecomoschool.org >> Please check: http://troncopackage.org >> Please check: >> https://www.frontiersin.org/research-topics/7394/network-bioscience>> >> Please note that I am not checking my Spam-box anymore. >> Please do not forward this email without asking me first (cum grano >> salis).>> >> >> >> >> > > > Robert P. 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