But - self sync enables flexibility in data packet sizes, without being prone 
to stuffing. I use the term stuffing here to denote a kind of network malicious 
attack. 

Had I used prefix-length encoding then an attacker could shove a packet with an 
enormous size and cause DOS by overwhelming my system resources. Self-sync can 
prevent that by looking only for the magic separators at known locations.

> On Dec 17, 2025, at 08:30, David McClain <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> IIRC, the self-sync data format was actually invented to help with read-back 
> of log files which might get clobbered in random locations. TCP/IP is 
> actually error-free transmission in its own right, and you shouldn’t ever see 
> clobbered data arriving. The only error you should see, at the application 
> level, is a timeout for failure to transmit successfully. 
> 
> So self-sync format is probably redundant in socket streams...
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2025, at 08:23, David McClain <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ll have to review Paul Phuong’s self-sync protocol to be sure. In my 
>> system with self-sync encoding, I do believe that there is a special 
>> sequence of octets that indicate a boundary between data packets. But inside 
>> the packets is also a length count and checksum, to tell you what to expect.
>> 
>> But overall, with self-sync encoding you don’t depend on receiving a prefix 
>> count. You simply look for a magic sequence of octets in the stream, 
>> whenever they arrive. No assumptions are made on segments being read. You 
>> simply read what is available (for the asynchronous case) and look to see 
>> (with a state machine) whether the magic octet sequence has been seen.
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2025, at 08:17, David McClain <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well it sounds, from the comments made by you and me, that the key is to 
>>> send a prefix length in some fixed number of octets, which then describes 
>>> how many data octets to expect in your next read. 
>>> 
>>> The process only secondarily depends on asynchronous/synchronous behavior. 
>>> You really should block, somewhere, until you receive the proper number of 
>>> bytes, or generate a timeout error on missing data. And the prefix length 
>>> (which itself has a known length) tells you what to expect.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 17, 2025, at 08:11, Marco Antoniotti <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you...
>>>> 
>>>> I am aware of the implementation dependent solutions regarding networking.
>>>> 
>>>> However, if you stick to USOCKET, would it be better to switch to an 
>>>> explicit loop, or is there some other incantation you could use to avoid 
>>>> the hanging read?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> Marco
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2025 at 3:11 PM David McClain 
>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> It sounds like you are using TCP/IP (the streaming protocol) vs UDP?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have had tremendous success using the LW Asynchronous Socket interface 
>>>>> for socket streams (TCP/IP). Size of sent phrases seems to make no 
>>>>> difference to its performance. My transfers have arbitrary sizes and have 
>>>>> no predictable length. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do use a self-synchronizing encoding (Phuang) across the wire, and I 
>>>>> think that ultimately becomes a length-prefix followed by data octets. 
>>>>> And these packets come in a variety of sizes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> > On Dec 17, 2025, at 01:01, Marco Antoniotti <[email protected] 
>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Hi
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > I am reading from a uosocket:stream-usocket.  My sequence is 100 octets 
>>>>> > long, but I know the other party is sending UP TO 100 octets.
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > If the other party sends less than 100 octets, 
>>>>> > read-sequence/usocket-stream (at least the version on LW) hangs.
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Should I just do a loop, checking for the "end marker"?
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Thanks
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > All the best
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Marco Antoniotti
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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