Robert,
Thanks for the feedback  below, it is good to hear the other side of the
story. Probably rather unusually for a photographer, I 'grew up' in Quark 3
and 4, so I am quite fond of it and I am certainly aware of some of the
transparency issues of InDesign. I am fortunate in having a local printer
who has recently got a new direct to plate setup and is thus quite able and
happy to support InDesign. When I quote issues of Quark, I am really meaning
the wider sphere. So many jobbing printers have until the lat year or so,
refused to look at any form of pdf document. Correct me if I am wrong, but
Acrobat has been a credible medium for some time,  certainly since v4.
Nick WB



> Nick,
> 
> Actually, the problem is a little more complicated than 
> people being stuck 
> in the past. While it is accepted that as technology 
> advances, then so too 
> must service bureaus and printers advance to handle the files 
> that this new 
> technology produces. The problem is that Adobe has started 
> implementing 
> things like transparancy settings into their programs that 
> are causing so 
> many issues with printers/service bureaus that they are 
> holding web-seminars 
> just to try and educate them on how to work-around the 
> problems. The fact is 
> that without siginifcant workarounds, InDesign and 
> Illustrator 10 files will 
> not print through many current RIPs used by printers, 
> publishers and service 
> bureaus (actually, the bureaus are more likly to adapt 
> quickly as they are 
> on the front lines dealing with many more file types).
> The best case senario is that a printer upgrades all of it's RIPs to 
> Postscript Level 3, which will enable direct handling of these new 
> generation of Adobe Indesign/Illustrator files. Again, it's 
> not that simple. 
> The RIPs I work with are somewhere in the $50,000 range and 
> to upgrade (3 in 
> our case) several RIPs is just to expensive for many 
> companies to handle 
> right now. It is safe to say that the timing could be better 
> (ecomony, war 
> and all).
> So most printers cling to Quark because above all else, they 
> know that if 
> you can place a file in Quark or better yet, create something 
> in it, then it 
> will RIP/Print correctly without jumping through several 
> hoops. Most of the 
> time no matter what format a file comes to a printer they 
> will export it in 
> some way to place into Quark just to get the print controls.
> Many photographers hate Quark for several reasons not the 
> least of which is 
> the preview which is low-rez as pointed out before. So we are 
> all moving 
> toward Indesign and other alternatives, but unfortunatly the 
> people on the 
> other end of the process are not up to speed and for the time 
> being, there 
> will be conflict.
> I work both sides of the equation and putting my printers hat 
> on, I hate 
> Indesign files and I DO have upgraded RIPs but there are 
> still persistant 
> problems with transparancy.
> Just my 3 cents worth.
> 
> Robert


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