On 20 Sep 2008, at 07:33, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
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From what I see WAP is mostly dead, and the few companies I knew focusing purely on WAP technology no longer exist.

Thanks Wichert!

Yes, this has been my stance for a long while. WAP started out with many architectural issues, and has made hard work of it, despite its several versions, ever since. Meanwhile laptops become cheaper, and browers better. Media are becoming richer, and it's hard for desktop browsers to keep up, let alone mobile devices.

Ari Jaaksi proclaims that mobile is dead but his posting attracted several thoughtful comments. The way I see it, it may be just the mobile ghetto web that is dead. The idea of a separate Mobile internet with http://mobile.domain.tld URLs should certainly be a part of history. But for some (long?) time we will need a web that is sensitive to screen size and resolution, and device capabilities.

I found this comment to the above blog useful:
"I too worked on WAP browser with Ari (hi Ari! :) and I have to disagree a little. I too used to believe the "mobile web" would become unnecessary. But as a heavy user of our Web Browser for S60, I've found myself preferring mobile-friendly versions for my frequently- used content. mobile.wundergound.com is perfect for quickly checking the weather, compared to the full www.wunderground.com. .mobileapp.espn.go.com is so much faster for getting the baseball standings than www.espn.com. Etc. But for exploring new pages, the full view is really nice.

I believe there will be convergence in about 6-8 years when a huge percentage of web traffic is from full browsers on small screens. Then site developers will learn the tricks to make pages flow better on both big and small screens, so there will be less need for separate versions.Google News text version is a great example of a site that looks good on either size screen.

Google has implemented our recommendations very nicely: when it recognizes a mobile web browser it shows links at the bottom to switch between Classic and Mobile. And best of all, it sets a cookie to remember, so google.com shows up as you last left it.

I do believe that almost everyone will have the full web in their pocket by 2015, and in developed countries probably sooner. But it will never fully match the big-screen experience, and that's ok. Developers will adapt when there's sufficient demand, and things will "just fit" most of the time."

So we can take a step in that direction using PloneWurfl, by activating content elements, viewlets, etc, depending on device capabilities. By sizing images to suit. I always see form handing as one of the trickiest area in Plone. Fragmenting dialogs by hand into long sequences is painful, so I will be looking for a way to automagically fragment forms so that a cpt can also source a series of entry cards.

My client has thought about this long and hard, and WAP is on his 'essential' list. I can clearly see some special advantages, including identity tracking which has some important ramifications.

I'm going to air my concerns, as usual ;), but will support the decision if mobile is to be catered for. There are some powerful requirements coming together in this project, and I hope that Plone/ Zope can become the platform for implementation.

I appreciate your comments,

Best regards,

--r.

Russ Ferriday - Topia Systems - Open Source content management with Plone and Zope [EMAIL PROTECTED] - office: +44 2076 1777588 - mobile: +44 7789 338868 - skype: ferriday

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