! Saddam was the head of a very rough country, and had to deal ! with many ! factions, many of which, no doubt, did not support his regime, so, in ! order to maintain power over Iraq, Saddam and, his follower, ! had to use ! force as opposed to benevolent love of the Iraqi people, to maintain
! power. As Niccolo Machiavelli noted, the best way to rule a ! country is ! through the love and adoration of the people toward the ! ruler. When the ! people stopping loving the ruler, then the country must be ruled by ! fear. Maintaining power over a country, because the people ! fear you, is ! not as good as deriving power because the people love you, but it is ! almost as good. ! ! If Saddam was judged competent enough to defend his life in a ! court of ! law, against allegations of crimes against humanity, then ! certainly he ! was sane enough not to commit suicide by attacking the most powerful ! military ever assemble. Think about it. ROTFLMAO! Keep inhaling that diesel, Leland! You're priceless! :) - Bob ! ! Regards, ! ! LelandJ ! ! ! Hal Kaplan wrote: ! ! >Brutal dictator? It would seem so. ! > ! >Sane and rational? If you think killing people who you do ! not like is ! >sane, then there are a lot of people in the USA who pled ! "not guilty by ! >reason of insanity" that need to be dealt with. ! > ! >Leland, you have been breathing too many diesel fumes. Next ! time, wait ! >20 minutes after you shut off the engine of your car before ! you attempt ! >to make love to it. OK? ! > ! >HALinNY ! > ! >-----Original Message----- ! >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On ! >Behalf Of Leland Jackson ! >Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 11:08 ! >To: ProFox Email List ! >Subject: Re: [OT] Report: Hundreds of WMD found in Iraq ! > ! >Even if Saddam had the biggest Nuke ever made, without any way to ! >deliver the payload, he really was not a clear and present danger ! >threating an imminent attack against the US? Saddam was a toothless ! >tiger. The US had nothing to fear from Saddam. Even if Saddam had ! >attack the US with WMD, it would mean all out war, and total ! destruction ! >of his country and people, and he was assured of that. Why ! would Saddam ! >commit suicide? Saddam was a brutal dictator, but he was also a sane ! >and rational man. ! > ! >Regards, ! > ! >LelandJ ! > ! >Bob Calco wrote: ! > ! > ! > ! >>http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Iraq_WMD_Declassified.pdf ! >> ! >>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html ! >> ! >> ! >>- - - ! >>Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the ! >>information since April or earlier, didn't advertise it, Hoekstra ! >>conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and ! >>concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq. ! >> ! >>Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior ! >>Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical ! weapons were ! >>not in useable conditions. ! >> ! >>"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after ! 1991," the ! >>official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this ! country and ! >>the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which ! >>this country went to war." ! >> ! >>The official said the findings did raise questions about ! the years of ! >>weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly ! >>sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say ! >>something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report ! does suggest ! >>that some of the weapons were likely put on the black ! market and may ! >>have been used outside Iraq. ! >> ! >>He also said that the Defense Department statement shortly ! after the ! >>March 2003 invasion saying that "we had all known weapons ! facilities ! >>secured," has proven itself to be untrue. ! >> ! >>"It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," he said, adding ! >>that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site ! has been ! >>uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed ! within them. ! >> ! >>- - - ! >> ! >>So much for "no WMDs found". While I agree these are small potatoes ! >>compared to what we believed we'd find, it's quite possible ! we haven't ! >>found everything, and it's possible what we thought he had ! was hidden ! >>somewhere else. And even these "small potatoes" can kill. ! >> ! >>But in any case, for those who are interested here is a factul ! >>reference in the declassified summary one can point to in order to ! >>refute the "no WMDs found" argument. You cannot say "no WMDs were ! >>found" all you can say is "only about 500 chemical WMD ! munitions were ! >>found so far." If these had been found right away, when every stray ! >>fart was screened for WMD content in the initial ! post-invasion search, ! >>then our political dialog would be very different right ! now... But they ! >> ! >> ! > ! > ! > ! >>were found well after the official news cycle, as evidenced by how ! >>little play this got in the media yesterday. ! >> ! >>I also don't think it's reasonable to say they were ! "secure" before the ! >> ! >> ! > ! > ! > ! >>invasion but the invasion made them "insecure". They were ! dispersed to ! >>god-only-knows-where so that the inspections would never find them, ! >>either, which raises the question in my mind if Hussein ! even knew where ! >> ! >> ! > ! > ! > ! >>all of them were. As Leland might say, "plausible deniability". ! >> ! >>And I definitely don't think it's fair to say "Bush lied" ! -- clearly he ! >> ! >> ! > ! > ! > ! >>believed there was significant stockpiles there and on that ! basis made ! >>a good part of his decision (Geore Tenet's "slam dunk"), ! which is one ! >>reason why he's not trumpeting this. The idea that this was all ! >>fabrication of some pinheads at PNAC also doesn't float ! because, for ! >>one thing, these WMDs are real, and the suspicions about Iraq's ! >>capabilities and potential collaboration with Al Qaeda have ! been around ! >> ! >> ! > ! > ! > ! >>for years and were equally pumped by Democrats and ! Republicans in their ! >> ! >> ! > ! > ! > ! >>turn. I will gladly pull out the quotes again, not to ! mention the 1998 ! >>ABC News story centered around the 1998 indictment of Bin ! Laden that ! >>alleges that very connection, all over again. It's funny ! how they sunk ! >>down the memory whole when it was politically convenient. ! >> ! >>Talk about an inconvenient truth... ! >> ! >> ! >>- Bob ! >> ! >> ! >> ! >> ! >> [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
