Dave,

> Having investigated the problem further and unless anyone can prove me wrong, 
> there is no way of having a visually designed Form with a visually designed 
> toolbar which is docked in the aforesaid form.

The same principle applies to the VFP statusbar and menubar as well.

One possible solution, albeit more complicated than its probably
worth<g>

1. Create placeholder container classes for your menubar, toolbars and
statusbar so that these items take up physical space on your design
form. Note that the menubar and statusbar containers won't automatically
adjust their heights based on system menu font settings but a builder
could do this.

2. Place your tradional form contents in its own container.

3. In your form Init():
- remove the placeholder containers 
- shift the main form container to 0,0
- resize the form to account for the removed placeholder containers

As I said ... seems more trouble than its worth?

Malcolm


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