Bill: ! ! > If she were a Republican or a conservative Ed would be ! > blasting her for being a hypocrite---preaching love and peace ! > and save-the-children in one breath, but really full of hate ! > inside and hardly able to contain it in another breath. ! > ! > The Nobel Peace Prize long ago became a joke, a place where ! > lefties of various stripes, colors and nationalities hang out ! > to pat each other on the back for being excellent humanists ! > and cross-dress their hate as noble indignation. It's done ! > nothing for peace or tolerance. ! ! ! You simply can't believe that some people really want peace, huh?
No I just don't believe every two-bit leftie who wins a "Nobel Peace Prize" these days is the next reincarnation of Mahatma Gandhi, considering how lowered standards and expectations have become. Carter? Arafat? This dim-wit with murder on her mind? What, it's OK to speak of such desire to snuff out another human life when you have a Nobel Peace Prize in your pocket and the target is a Republican, or you are a member of some supposedly oppressed Arab group and your target happens to be a Jew? You have got to be kidding me. I believe people are for peace who want genuine peace---not that "let's keep a bottle on it" phoney-baloney so-called "peace process", which seems to be defined as never-ending, low-grade conflict confined to an occasional suicide bomber or katyushka rocket killing Jews in Israel. Like everyone else who is human, I desire peace and would never wish the hardships of war on anyone. But I don't let the desire for a wish cloud my vision of reality on the ground. I am for real war over phoney peace any day. Because peace will come in its time and then everyone will appreciate The Real Deal. You mentioned in another post what we need to do is reconcile them. I think really what they need is to be separated. They cannot be reconciled anymore than you can be reconciled with Leo Strauss. ! You need to stick your head into a brutal, savage war for a while, and ! then you can come back and tell us all about your views on ! peace. Until ! you do that, your authority on the subject is about as useful ! as any of ! the other string-pulling, send-other-peoples-kids, ! chickenhawk neocons. Before you tell us with authority about neo-con ideology, then, I suppose you'll need to become a Straussian. Until then shut up. ! ! ! > All someone has to do apparently is talk the talk of peace ! > and love, and they have a whole band of collectively ! > unconscious choir boys and girls who coo and guffaw over ! > their every witticism and defend their hate on supposedly ! > "humanitarian" grounds, even as they make the wildest most ! > libelous accusations about Bush and the dreaded neo-cons ! > (simply "tags" for the dirty, conniving, omnipotent Jew ! > archtetype, to use Bill's Jungian wanna-be terminology). ! ! ! In your rabid lust to spin everything I say into the vilest possible Rabid lust? Please. I merely apply your method from a different perspective and all of a sudden you're repeating yourself, like I didn't hear you the first time. ! re-interpretation you completely overlooked the most important point: Here we go... ! the Arabic/Muslim archetypes are connected at the collective ! unconscious ! level and will join with their brethren to oust the occupier (at the ! least!). Bill I read what you write more carefully than you do. Is it not obvious that you are guilty of the same "tagging" and archetype-izing you accuse everyone else of? Is it not obvious that you have blinded yourself to the opposite perspective so completely you cannot even entertain the possibility that your framing of the issue is subject to the same human frailties mine are, and in fact might be wrong? Your attempts to use Jung to justify your wacky theories are amusing though, and I'm grateful for that. ! Modern communications serve to grease the path and widen the ! scope of this connection manyfold, like never before. How futuristic-sounding of you. But what did you actually say? What if all that technology is in fact dis-connecting the collective unconscious, making it as it were overtly conscious---thus, dissectable by reason... Thus, no longer collective but, as it were, individuated, so to speak? Think for a moment about what I'm saying before you accuse me of playing-with-words. You act like the Arab/Muslim "achetype" has some excuse for not seeing the absurdity of his position in the world today, yet we, somehow, have only neo-con perfidity and apparently infinite mass gullibility to blame for ours. And we are uniformly in the wrong, which he is, if not in the right, certainly so numerous we have no hope of winning any straight-up battle with him. All this "the arab masses will righteously rise up" claptrap ignores the inhumanity, absurdity and outright stupidity of _their_ ugly passions and prejudices with regard to the Christian/Jew archetype, which by the way has at least as much right to "rise up" against the threat to _its_ existence as they claim whenever they strap a bomb on a teenager and send him to a pizzaria to murder women and children in the name of intifada and jihad. Hence, some of us see this as an inevitable clash of civilizations. ! ! A tiny little example of the impact of modern communications: ! nobody in ! America has seen the photos of a mangled child being pulled in pieces ! from the wreckage in Beirut (owing to the handful at the top of our ! media feed), but those photos have been circulated throughout the ME - ! overnight. We're being "protected" from feeling their rage on the ! misguided belief that we can kill them all before they can act on it. ! Wrong answer, as usual. ! ! I've said that soldiers-of-Israel are one leg of a triad, the ! other two ! are the MI Complex and Big Oil. Jung would say there must be four. ! Perhaps that leg is the duped people, such as yourself. I don't know what to make of that nonsense so I'll just let it stand on its own as such. - Bob ! ! ! Bill ! ! ! ! > - Bob ! > ! ! ! 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