Ken - sorry for late reply. I was on vacation when this was originally posted. 

At my last job - I believe what they had is what you mentioned - with Network 
traffic & phones over same internal network wires.

One thing to Note. I think they have 8 "live lines" - in relation to the 12 you 
mentioned. A particular problem would occur - which is kinda strange - and one 
you should be aware of.

A big selling point on this phone system (ah - installed by the Father of my 
manager - as the co. his father worked for was in this business - although I 
don't think the father was personally involved in the Install) - was that the 
system had its own Conference call ability. You could have a conference call 
with a bunch of clients - that basically call in to the office - and are all on 
the call. However, on 1 or 2 occasions (the new phone system was only active 
for the last 2 mo's I was there) - a single Conf call chewed up 6 of the 8 
lines. The deal is - for instance the one time - there were like 3 people all 
calling in from one office - and then 2 more people calling in from Another 
office from this particular client. Big mistake - since then many of us needing 
to call out to clients could NOT - since all the lines were used up. The work 
around - if multiple people from a client office are calling in - they should 
Not - and instead - they should all be on a Single line w/speaker p
 hone in Their office - calling into your office. 

Anyway - just thought I would throw that out there...

-K-

-----Original Message-----
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Dibble
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 4:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [NF] Internal Network Considerations for a VoIP Phone System

H folks,

We are going to replace our existing digital PBX phone system (which has its 
own CAT3 wiring). I am desperately seeking objective information on the issues 
from people who aren't trying to sell me something. If any of you have 
expertise on this topic, perhaps you could answer some questions.

My knowledge of telephony is virtually nonexistent, and my knowledge of 
networking is limited.

The current PBX system manages about 150 extensions. We would like to go to at 
least 200 initially, and perhaps as many as 300-350 later.

Existing phone and internet service are both currently provided by Level 3 
(formerly TWTelecom). We have fiber coming into the building that carries both 
phone and internet service. Somehow, using Adtran and PRI devices, the 
bandwidth ascribed to phone vs internet is dynamically managed in response to 
demand. However, the internet connection is maximum 25 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up. 
The system delivers 12 phone "lines". We also have a fax server with a 
Brooktrout fax card that handles 20 incoming DID numbers and two outgoing (I 
think "analog") lines, and it has its own Adtran device.

The computer data network has 4 48-port gigabit switches. They are NOT POE.

Phone vendors want to sell us a VoIP internal phone system using POE switches 
and our current network CAT5 cabling.

My biggest concern is network throughput and avoiding internal network 
congestion.

The phone sales people have trouble understanding this concern. They don't seem 
to be able to distinguish between congestion resulting from use of the INTERnet 
as opposed to INTRAnet.

My network doesn't suffer from network printing, but it is pretty busy. I am 
trying to get a straight answer on exactly how much of my internal network 
bandwidth a  very busy VoIP phone system (at times all 12 "lines" 
are in use) will suck up. There are all kinds of advantages to a VoIP system, I 
know, but if it slows down the data traffic on the network I am going to be an 
unhappy camper.

I understand that for VoIP to be usable, its packets have to get priority over 
other data traveling across the network (otherwise the voices "break up"). This 
is what concerns me about the technology. If there are 12 (or more; growth is 
inevitable) VoIP conversations taking place at once across my network, what's 
going to happen to the responsiveness of the constant file server access, 
accounting database access, and internet access (for the fat-client payroll 
system and Medicaid billing system) that is also going on across the network?

Are there options to add more bandwidth to the network? Affordable options? 
For example, are there faster-than-gigabit switches that can use the existing 
CAT5 (not 6) cabling? And would it matter, since the computers only have 
gigabit network chips?

Secondarily, if we dispense with the Level 3 Adtran/PRI stuff and go to SIP 
networks, am I going to need a lot more INTERnet bandwidth to make that a 
reasonable option?

Any help on this--again, from objective sources not trying to sell me 
anything--would be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Ken Dibble
www.stic-cil.org


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