I believe you about as much as I believed the Bush Administration that attacked Iraq using fear about WMD to stamped the Press, Congress, and the American people into supporting an unnecessary war against Iraq. We have all come to the realization, finally, about how much grief and misery that has wrought.
What is need is a level headed assessment of possible threats, and a pragmatic approach to keeping America safe from any real danger. A use of diplomacy to earn back the esteem of both enemy and friend within the International community would go a long way towards reducing fears and tensions between America and other countries. Police and Intelligent agency should be enough to do the job of stopping terrorist attacks without any need for the military to start WW III which could take millions of innocent lives. Just because someone is Muslim doesn't make them monstrous terrorist out to kill everyone who believes in another religion. Regards, LelandJ Virgil Bierschwale wrote: >Leland, I like you, but I don't think you get this. > >NONE OF US WANT THIS STUFF. >If you have a better alternative, then put it forward. > >At this current time, there are no alternatives, at least none that I can >see. >These people are not your traditional enemy's and they are recruiting >amongst people that crave anarchy with total disregard to their family, >friends or country. > > > >Virgil Bierschwale >http://www.virgilslist.com >http://www.tccutlery.com >http://www.bierschwale.com >http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >Of Leland Jackson >Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:36 PM >To: ProFox Email List >Subject: Re: [OT] FW: Real Terror > >So, Newt Grinwich is an extreme right wing neoconservative, who supports the >long war, coupled with a degradation of our constitutional freedoms. I'm >not surprised; because, like Pete, he said on Meet the Press, I believe, >that America is in the early stages of WW III. > >I don't think we need to wage WW III to eliminate terrorism, and there >should be a balance between Constitutional guarantees of freedom and due >process, and the need to make America safe against terrorism, whether >domestic or foreign. Constitutional guarantees and a safe America are not >mutually exclusive of each other. I hope our legislators don't sell us, and >our freedoms , down the river using "The war on Terrorism" as the pretext to >establish something along the lines of a police state. > >Hail Hilter! and: >Long live "The New World Order", Whoops I should have said "The Project for >a New American Century". <g> The Project for a New American Century sound >so much less threating than "A New World Ordeer". > >Regards, > >LelandJ > > >Virgil Bierschwale wrote: > > > >>Interesting message that came across today. >> >>It describes in better detail what I've been trying to say for a long >> >> >while. > > >>Sure there are those out there that will bury their heads and say this >>cannot happen, but unless something changes, I believe that it will >>because there are muslim extremists that want to exterminate us just >>like a bunch of roaches. >> >> >>Virgil Bierschwale >>HYPERLINK "http://www.virgilslist.com/"http://www.virgilslist.com >>HYPERLINK "http://www.tccutlery.com/"http://www.tccutlery.com >>HYPERLINK "http://www.bierschwale.com/"http://www.bierschwale.com >>HYPERLINK >>"http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com/"http://www.bierschwalesolutions.c >>om >> >> >> >> >> _____ >> >>From: Chuck Beasley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:26 PM >>To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; >>Subject: Real Terror >> >> >> >> >>This real scarry..... >>Chuck >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>----- This is a short read you need to know about-------- >> >> >>This was passed to me by a friend. It is a worthwhile read. America >>needs to wake up. >> >>This is a transcript (obtained from Gingrich) of a section of a >>Gingrich Speech in New Hampshire. Apparently it is causing a firestorm. >> >>NEWT GINGRICH: …The third thing I want to talk about very briefly is >>the genuine danger of terrorism, in particular terrorists using weapons >>of mass destruction and weapons of mass murder, nuclear and biological >>weapons. And I want to suggest to you that right now we should be >>impaneling people to look seriously at a level of supervision that we >>would never dream of if it weren’t for the scale of threat. >> >>Let me give you two examples. When the British this summer arrested >>people who were planning to blow up ten airliners in one day, they >>arrested a couple who were going to use their six month old baby in >>order to hide the bomb as baby milk. >> >>Now, if I come to you tonight and say that there are people on the >>planet who hate you, and they are 15-25 year old males who are willing >>to die as long as they get to kill you, I’ve simply described the >>warrior culture which has been true historically for 6 or 7 thousand years. >> >>But, if I come to you and say that there is a couple that hates you so >>much that they will kill their six month old baby in order to kill you, >>I am describing a level of ferocity, and a level of savagery beyond >>anything we have tried to deal with. >> >>And, what is truly frightening about the British experience is they are >>arresting British citizens, born in Britain , speaking English, who >>went to British schools, live in British housing, and have good jobs. >> >>This is a serious long term war, and it will inevitably lead us to want >>to know what is said in every suspect place in the country, that will >>lead us to learn how to close down every website that is dangerous, and >>it will lead us to a very severe approach to people who advocate the >>killing of Americans and advocate the use of nuclear or biological weapons. >> >>And, my prediction to you is that either before we lose a city, or if >>we are truly stupid, after we lose a city, we will adopt rules of >>engagement that use every technology we can find to break up their >>capacity to use the internet, to break up their capacity to use free >>speech, and to go after people who want to kill us to stop them from >>recruiting people before they get to reach out and convince young >>people to destroy their lives while destroying us. >> >>This is a serious problem that will lead to a serious debate about the >>first amendment, but I think that the national security threat of >>losing an American city to a nuclear weapon, or losing several million >>Americans to a biological attack is so real that we need to >>proactively, now, develop the appropriate rules of engagement. >> >>And, I further think that we should propose a Geneva convention for >>fighting terrorism which makes very clear that those who would fight >>outside the rules of law, those who would use weapons of mass >>destruction, and those who would target civilians are in fact subject >>to a totally different set of rules that allow us to protect >>civilization by defeating barbarism before it gains so much strength that >> >> >it is truly horrendous. > > >>This is a sober topic, but I think it is a topic we need a national >>dialogue about, and we need to get ahead of the curve rather than wait >>until actually we literary lose a city which could literally happen >>within the next decade if we are unfortunate. So… >> >>(APPLAUSE) >> >>This is a very sober description of the Islamic terrorist threat we are >>faced with. We are NOW at war with a culture that wants, not to take >>over our land, but to KILL us. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: >>1/2/2007 >>2:58 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
