At 07:57 PM 1/25/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: ... > >> Hey! Didn't you say we have no control whatsoever over 'god's grace'? > >> So if there's nothing you can do to get it, then there's nothing you can > >> do to refuse it. Or do you question god's omnipotence? > > ... > > > > I don't recall saying that. I've been saying things like we can't save > > ourselves only God's grace can do that. Is that clearer? > >Then it follows that also God's grace can save us, no matter what, god >has that power. Or do you deny god's power?
Nope. I don't deny it. I just think God has told us that He is not going to do that. I think my other posts have already clarified this. > > God gave us free will. So we make choices all the time. The most critical > > choice, IMO, is whether or not to accept that we cannot obtain our own > > salvation. E.g. we can't work it off, we can't buy it off, we can't > > "intellectualize" it, etc. We have to accept God's grace, personally. > > > > So I don't deny God's Omnipotence, but I do think He uses it where He > > wants. So maybe He will bring all souls to Him in the end, I don't know. > > All I know is His words while He was here on Earth say that is not how > it's > > going to be. > >Well now you blew it man. He didn't speak, Jesus did all the talking and >claimed that it was his "father's" way. Well, it's my understanding that Christian belief is that Christ is God. So whatever He spoke, taught, etc was what God wanted us to hear. So, if by all your postings you're basically trying to say that God is not limited by what the Bible teaches, OK. Just say so. My response is my Christian faith tells me God told mankind what He has done and is planning to do via the Bible. I don't look at that as God now suddenly being "weak" and non-omnipotent. -Charlie _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
