Your numbers are based on feeble projection; forecast as to what might 
have happen if Iraq had been left undistributed.  As any statistician 
can tell you, projection, or forecast,  are notoriously unreliable.  
Also,  the further you try to forecast into the future, the greater 
become the uncertainty of the results.

Your numbers come from projections over a four year period which you try 
to measure what what might have happen should Saddam been left in 
power.  Further, you projections are easily manipulated toward your 
biases, both conscience and subconscience, and I doubt you could even 
tell me the underlying assumption and statistical method used to compute 
your projected number of deaths.

My figures will come from recorded history as to what really happen, how 
many people really died, their names, ages, occupations, etc, what the 
psychological ramification of this unnecessary war will be to both 
America and Iraq, the real financial cost to Iraq, America, and the rest 
of the world because of the unnecessary war with Iraq, which has become 
an American fiasco and made joke our of America to the rest of the world.

Regards,

LelandJ

Michael Madigan wrote:
> My position is absolutely defeasible.
>
> UN says 150,000 Iraqis have died since 2003
>
> Estimates that Saddam was torturing and killing
> 100,000 to 500,000 Iraqis a year.
>
> Net saved lives a minimum of 250,000 Iraquis.
>
>
> --- "Leland F. Jackson, CPA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>   
>> Absolutely.  When you see your psychiatrist to check
>> out your judgment, 
>> also have him check out your reasoning.  Your
>> believe that the original 
>> war with Iraq, and subsequent civil struggle for
>> power between waring 
>> secretarian tribal fashion over the vacuum left when
>> Saddam was removed 
>> as leader of Iraq, which the Bush Administration now
>> calls "the war", or 
>> the violence in response to the effort of the US to
>> impose it will on 
>> the Iraqi people through military force, which the
>> Bush Administration 
>> also calls "the war",  resulted in a net saving of
>> life is preposterous 
>> and indefeasible.
>>
>> When the time comes that an evaluation can be
>> performed to accurately 
>> measure the cost of the Iraq war in terms of loss of
>> human life, loss of 
>> limb, loss of hope, loss of financial resources,
>> loss of property, loss 
>> of a generation or two of mentally healthy Iraqi
>> citizens, it will be 
>> staggering.  The cost due to psychological
>> damage/harm to the Iraqi 
>> people, and all the children, will manifest itself
>> for generations to come.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> LelandJ
>>
>> Michael Madigan wrote:
>>     
>>> Well some people say we shouldn't have killed so
>>>       
>> many
>>     
>>> Iraqis even though the net lives we saved are in
>>>       
>> the
>>     
>>> hundreds of thousands compared to how many would
>>>       
>> have
>>     
>>> died under Saddam.
>>>
>>> So, it stands to reason we shouldn't be using
>>>       
>> computer
>>     
>>> modeling to save the Earth because such computer
>>> modeling damages the Earth.
>>>
>>> Understand now?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- "Leland F. Jackson, CPA"
>>>       
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>     
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> In everything there is both good and evil, pros
>>>>         
>> and
>>     
>>>> cons, advantages and 
>>>> disadvantages, and good judgment is required to
>>>> arrive at the correct 
>>>> decision in achieving proper balance between
>>>>         
>> these
>>     
>>>> opposites.  Have you 
>>>> had your judgment check lately? <g>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> LelandJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Madigan wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> Of course using computers adds to CO2
>>>>>           
>> emmissions. 
>>     
>>>>> They should do the calculations by hand to save
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> the
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> Earth.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- "Leland F. Jackson, CPA"
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Computers are being used to help better
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> understand
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> the causes and 
>>>>>> effects of Global Warming, and the role that
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> human
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> interferance with the 
>>>>>> planets envrionmental system causes or
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> contributes
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> to global warming.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #--------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *Global Warming Studies Demand More Compute
>>>>>> Power*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With the release of the Intergovernmental Panel
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> on
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> Climate Change 
>>>>>> <http://www.ipcc.ch/> 4th Assessment Report,
>>>>>>             
>> even
>>     
>>>>>> skeptics are 
>>>>>> acknowledging that global warming is heating
>>>>>>             
>> up.
>>     
>>>>>> According to the 4th Assessment Report 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
> <http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/docs/WG1AR4_SPM_PlenaryApproved.pdf>,
>   
>>>   
>>>       
>>>>>   
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>>>> we 
>>>>>> can expect rising oceans, warmer oceans, sea
>>>>>>             
>> ice
>>     
>>>>>> reduction, warmer 
>>>>>> winters, and the like, all thanks to
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> human-derived
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> greenhouse gases that 
>>>>>> are playing havoc with our climate. The 2007
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> report
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> will be presented in 
>>>>>> four phases during the year, with the first
>>>>>>             
>> phase
>>     
>>>>>> focusing on physical 
>>>>>> evidence of global change
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We are now seeing, not merely predicting,
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> effects
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> of greenhouse warming 
>>>>>> on a scale and in ways that were not observable
>>>>>> before," said Gabriele 
>>>>>> Hegerl, associate research professor at Duke
>>>>>> University's Nicholas 
>>>>>> School of the Environment and Earth Sciences 
>>>>>> <http://www.nicholas.duke.edu/>, who also
>>>>>> co-authored a summary of the 
>>>>>> report for policymakers. Hegerl, a coordinating
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> lead
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> author of the IPCC 
>>>>>> report's chapter on "Understanding and
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> Attributing
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> Climate Change," goes 
>>>>>> on to say that "We've studied improved
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> observations
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> from land, sea and 
>>>>>> space, as well as better temperature
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> reconstructions
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> covering the last 
>>>>>> 1,000 years. Understanding the observations is
>>>>>> really what this all is 
>>>>>> about. For instance, looking at the patterns of
>>>>>> change in 20th-century 
>>>>>> temperatures, we can now distinguish between
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> changes
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> caused by 
>>>>>> greenhouse gases, man-made aerosols,
>>>>>>             
>> variability
>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>> in
>>>>         
> === message truncated ===
>
>
> Saddam - Hung for the Holidays
> http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike
>
>
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