> >>    It isn't going to come from government, either. It is more
likely
> >> that major ISPs throwing their weight behind a non-anonymous
version 
> >> of SMTP will be the catalyst that gets things moving.
> >
> > NO!
> >
> > We're being trained/conditioned/programmed to accept the
inevitability 
> > of positive ID's to access the world of digital communications, but
that
> > is exactly the wrong solution.
> 
>       That's hilarious! You want Big Brother to legislate 
> penalties for spamming; how do you think that this would ever be
enforced unless  
> you had proof of where it came? 

I'm trying to say too much in too little space. I don't want Big Brother
to do anything but melt. Instead I want reasonable people to preserve
and build upon something that science has put on our table, like it or
not: electronic communications. 


> I could send thousands of 
> emails that look like they come from your address, or plant a bot in
an  
> attachment that you would never know about, and you would be facing  
> jail time! All because you can't prove that you *didn't* send it.


I'm saying that we can solve this problem without:

1. throwing the baby away with the bathwater
2. giving up something of incalculable value: unfettered, untracked,
anonymous access to the system
3. feeding an 'information mountain' that can be selectively drawn from
by an authority who has decided he/she doesn't like you because you're
interfering with his/her authority.


>       Remember how this thread got started? Someone thought I (or my  
> server) was sending out these dangerous emails?

Yes, the spam problem, enlarged to include dangerous emails; but
essentially a problem involving someone out there sending something to
your inbox that you don't want there.

The question is "how do we stop that from happening"? 

First of all, regardless of what happens next, we need a rule that says
we have a right to not be subjected to unwanted advertising,
solicitations and dangerous mail. Without that, there is no basis to
proceed.

I will attempt to get past this by saying that, for the most part, rules
are in place regarding the same situation as it applies to cell phones
and faxes, which are just different devices that handle digital
transmissions. Thus, my first proposition would be to institute the same
mechanics for Internet based digital transmissions (the no-spam list). I
would hold the relative success with cell phones and faxes is an example
of an approach that more or less works - at least knocking down the
volume considerably by getting honest business people who are just
taking advantage of something that's free and readily available to them.

That leaves us with a smaller group to deal with: those who will break
the rules for their purposes, be they promotional/financial or
destructive. 

At this point, we turn to the ISP's, the Internet license holders who
are receiving incoming traffic at the local level to respect the shared
no-spam list within a certain threshold, with their license at risk.

Argument: ISP's are large and national in scope. Solution: more
distribution of the function. It's all electronic, we don't need
consolidated giant ISP's in the first place, and to the extent
consolidation is arguable, the counter-argument outweighs. 

At this point, we've reduced the overall problem by 80%. Now we turn out
attention to the hangers-on and those who would be destructive. In this
regard, again, local ISP's and local police can be charged with
defending their little piece of the pie as part of the cost of entry to
their business (tax money in the case of police).

Last - I admit that I understand the problem a whole lot more then the
solution, so this is the best I can come up with. I have no doubt others
here and in brain trusts elsewhere can come up with even better
solutions, but I do hope and trust that the "positive ID" solution will
never see the light of day.

Bill

 
> -- Ed Leafe



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