On May 14, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
>> Why should anything need fixing? It's exactly the way God made it,
>> by your definition of God.
>
> What are you talking about? I don't get where I stated "God made
> it all
> wrong and he is a screw up." That tends to be all you slant in this
> thread. That is fine but please don't allude that it's my opinion.
"God realizes that mankind is just dumb and needs constant reminders
over time."
This is your statement, so I feel safe in assuming that it is your
opinion.
In previous threads you've commented that you also believe that your
God is omnipotent. If that is incorrect, please state that you
believe he is not.
Assuming that you believe he is, the fact that "mankind is just
dumb" directly requires that your God made him that way, since God
created everything, and God can't make mistakes. Remember, being
omnipotent means that no one else can interfere with the results of
your actions, so *everything* must be as you wanted it.
Put two and two together now. You have a concept of an omnipotent
God who then denies Heaven to those who do not accept him, and a
group of his own creation who are too dumb to understand his
revelations and do not accept him. These dumb beings are then cast
off into Hell, which by definition is an eternity of torture and
suffering.
You like throwing out these comfy little platitudes like "God gives
you as many chances as you need". If that were true, though, then
nobody would ever be in Hell, since they were obviously too "dumb" to
recognize these chances in order to take advantage of them. If these
dumb people get tossed into Hell, they couldn't have gotten as many
chances as they needed.
>> That's crap. You just said that humans were dumb in the sense that
>> they can't tell God's real prophets from the false ones. Yet it was
>> God who made them dumb, and then punishes them for being exactly the
>> way that he made them.
>
> I never said anything between false and real and prophets. I don't
> see God
> punishing anyone. I don't think that I ever said that if I did I came
> across all wrong from the way I feel.
Hey, you finally learned how to spell 'prophet'! Congratulations!
You said that he keeps sending prophets to remind dumb mankind about
God and salvation, etc. Yet there have been millions of people over
the centuries claiming to be prophets. How are dumb people supposed
to be able to tell which ones are the real ones and which are not?
IOW, when you're trying to communicate to dumb people, subtlety and
nuance are probably not the best techniques to employ.
Let's say I'm trying to communicate with, oh, a 3-year-old, and
instead of telling her what I want her to do in no uncertain terms, I
send her into a crowded mall, and also send in a couple of strangers
to hint at what it is she should do. Then, when she doesn't
understand, I punish her for all eternity. Would you then want to
worship me, too?
-- Ed Leafe
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