>  clients who have "run
> out of runway" while launching what should be a profit-making project.
> They would have been grateful if I could take on the project at no
> cost, under a promissory note, or with long payback terms. The best
> deal is when you can promise a developer some percentage of future
> returns, often a percentage you can dilute to nothing should the
> business ever make a profit.

Actually, a similar situation happened with me a few years back.  The
difference is that despite what I can wring out of the project, whether in
the same form the initial project was coded in or some variation, I feel
compelled to make certain I get funds to a fellow developer for his
contribution.  It was the only time I involved another developer in a
project, and although the app ran great the market response was not what was
expected - despite the initial "wow" reactions I got with a prototype (which
is still in use at several client locations).  He and I took a risk on a
market for the solution, but the runway came up short at the time.  The
project is being recoded in a browser environment, but using many of the
techniques introduced in the enhanced project a few years ago, hence far
less costly for an End User to get into (Server hardware, Windows Server OS,
CALs, etc.).  Once I see revenues flowing I feel honor bound to get a nice
cut back to my associate.  I have been able, from time to time, to
distribute funds to that gentleman from other projects I saw revenue from.
We both learned a lot from that experience (can't always trust the potential
End Users' input re: value seen as opposed to putting bucks on the table
when the project is ready to deliver, and other stuff).


Gil



> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ted Roche
> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 9:35 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it
>
>
> On 5/19/07, Bill Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > But suppose on the other hand that you've already developed software for
> > a vertical market, it's eaten your bank account, and you have no money
> > left to pay for marketing - what do you do then?
>
> It's a legitimate question. I have worked with clients who have "run
> out of runway" while launching what should be a profit-making project.
> They would have been grateful if I could take on the project at no
> cost, under a promissory note, or with long payback terms. The best
> deal is when you can promise a developer some percentage of future
> returns, often a percentage you can dilute to nothing should the
> business ever make a profit.
>
> > Take this guy http://www.trackum.net/projects.htm for an example. He
> > says "Your only responsibility will be to maintain the source code. We
> > will market the product, support it, and send you a royalty check every
> > month."
> >
> > Is this a scam?
>
> Maybe, maybe not. It would require an investigation of his customers,
> due diligence on how he conducts his business. In a sentence, this guy
> buys vertical-niche apps and markets and resells them. If he's on the
> up-and-up, at the least you'll want to be able to audit his sales, or
> perhaps track the installations of your app yourself. Bear in mind
> that the terms are likely that you are giving up any ownership of the
> application, in exchange for a (small) percentage of sales that leave
> him with a healthy profit margin to cover his expenses and risks.
> You're probably also still responsiblefor tech support costs, too.
> Lots to consider.
>
> --
> Ted Roche
> Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
> http://www.tedroche.com
>
>
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